Genuine question - is it mostly biological women who have reservations about the trans movement?

It’s my son who wants to take oestrogen and potentially ruin his health. He’s a naive victim of this “young horse with a different vowel” which can’t be named here.

but then the most important thing would be if the boy - felt- he was female instead of having more-than-usual traits associated with females.

How does one 'feel female'?

Not meant aggressively - the whole schtick does sound initially convincing. It's when you start thinking it through step by step like this that you see the holes.

Trans women are women? Well, how are they women?

Not physically. Not even superficially physically in the vast majority of cases - well under 10% have genital surgery. (Can't say I blame them - genital surgery in either direction is horrific - very drastic, multi-stage procedures, hugely risky, massive complication and failure rate and will never result in anything fully functional.)

(Incidentally, neither surgery nor hormone treatment are needed to get a GRC; and about 80% don't have a GRC either.)

Not by virtue of their brains - there is no 'female brain' that exists separate from a female body (Gina Rippon's The Gendered Brain is a really good breakdown of the science of this - although I warn you it's one of those books that has you stopping every 2 sentences to add to your reading list or look up an interesting person or bit of history).

I don't believe in souls, so it can't be that.

What they wear? Well I'm currently wearing jeans and a T-shirt. Does that mean I'm not a woman, or that all men in jeans and T-shirts are?

How they act? Surely that's just stereotypes. Prancing about waving a handbag and screaming at mice doesn't make someone a woman, and I can't think of a single woman who does that anyway.

How they feel? How does a woman feel? What feelings do I have that I share with other women but not with men?

The harder you stretch for an answer that makes sense, the further one is from your grasp.

Eventually you end up concluding that the reason for that is there isn't an answer that makes sense.

Such differences are cultural, though, not biological.

While I agree that men aren’t going to be overly concerned about women’s single sex spaces, I think more men are transphobic than women. It’s men that are committing the vast majority of violent hate crimes (assaults, murders) on transpeople.

*I don’t think defending single sex spaces is transphobic.

No I don’t think it is . I think it’s mostly men in my experience. Personally I do not know any woman that has a issue with trans women or trans men or feels threatened in may way

My teenage sons are very worried about

the destruction of women’s sport, especially my son who plays sport at an elite level

the pressure on their lesbian friends to identify as trans and take medication / have mutilating surgery

the pressure on their vulnerable neuro diverse or non gender conforming male friends to identity as trans

the pressure on them to pretend that they believe in genderism when they don’t and their own lack of freedom to be their true selves

fear of being bullied for their own beliefs

https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-cock-and-ball-story/

Or do you mean that brains are sexed, and that sometimes a female-sexed brain develops incorrectly in a male baby and vice versa?

Mainly this, I guess.

The thing is though, that whatever brain develops within a male baby is a male brain. If it has features that were previously thought to only exist within female brains then what that would mean is that the feature is no longer only a female feature. Not that the brain is a female brain.

And brains aren't sexed in this way anyway. Brains are mosaics of features, and there are no features that appear in only male or only female brains. It would be like saying that 5ft 10 is a male height, or that size 8 feet are male if you were to pick on one feature that is (slightly) more common amongst men and declare that a male brain feature.

"Surely there really are some people who are genuinely born into the wrong body though?"

It depends what you mean by that phrase, @ReleaseTheDucksOfWar . Do you mean that you believe that people have souls or some similar concept, and that a creator (god?) for some reason occasionally puts a male soul into a female body, or a female soul into a male body. Or even a non-sexed soul into a male/female body?

Or do you mean that brains are sexed, and that sometimes a female-sexed brain develops incorrectly in a male baby and vice versa?

Or do you mean that some people experience gender dysphoria caused by an issue in their brain, which causes them to feel as if their body doesn't belong to them?

Anytime I've seen pictures of the LGB-Alliance group photos or gender-critical meetups it seems to be split between men and women.

Can't help noticing however, it's mainly middle-aged and old people.

I don't understand why this is such a big issue. I live in London where there are lots of people and I rarely see transwomen. However, I regularly come across a hell of a lot of men born with a penis who identity as a man and are more of a danger to me. I think energy could be better focused to help women not be victims.

The men I see in social media attacking feminists and defending genderism don't look well meaning to me. I get the sense that at some level, maybe unconsciously, they despise women.

Women tend to be more progressive / liberal, or certainly younger women anyway. So it's not a surprise if they are a little bit more "trans inclusive".

I would just see it as conformity to the group identity they have.

Yes, agree with with this. Your title doesn’t need the word “biological”. Just “women”. There’s no such person as a woman who isn’t biologically so.

The men I know (outside of my v woke workplace) think it's all bullshit BUT are not as bothered by it as I and other GC women I know are. They just dont have the same skin in the game. They are mainly married and middle.aged and highly unlikely to encounter a TW while dating or whatever, and of course don't feel threatened by the idea of TM in changing rooms even if they're not very happy with the idea.

My DH was late to the debate and a bit bemused by it all at first. We have spent a lot of time in a country with a lot of mixed facilities with urinals in cafes etc and he has found it very uncomfortable.

Most of the men I've been able to speak to about this are very much in agreement, but as it doesn't affect them in the same way it does us they are just less animated about it all. It's not worth the noise to them I suppose, lots of rolled eyes though.

I don’t think you will find you are an outlier at all there dungs.