Page 9 | Heads should stop teachers allowing children to identify as cats, says No 10

IwantToRetire · 2023-06-20T16:12:04+00:00

^The spokesman said that teachers should not teach “contested opinions as facts” and called for headteachers to intervene in extreme cases.^ ^“It would not be right to comment on the actions of a specific individual or a specific school without knowing the full details, but we understand why these reports will be concerning for parents,” the spokesman said.^ ^“In broad terms, teachers have a responsibility to encourage their students to engage respectfully with those they disagree with.^ ^“They should also not be teaching contested opinions as fact, shutting down valid discussions and debates.^ ^“It’s important parents and carers are reassured that children aren’t being influenced by personal views of those teaching them. Any example that strays from this would be wrong and we would expect headteachers to act.”^ [[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/rye-college-children-neo-pronouns-cats-moons-rishi-sunak https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/rye-college-children-neo-pronouns-cats-moons-rishi-sunak/]] Unlike the headline the article makes it clear that a "spokesman" (how old fashioned and sexist shouldn't that be spokesperson?!) has said this so Sunak may or may not have a public opinion about this ... But the Telegraph seems to be keen to keep the issue of self identifying on their front pages. When I first heard about children doing this I thought (hoped) that it was younger children making fun of the trans generation, but seems not. NB article is behind a paywall but can be read at [[https://archive.ph https://archive.ph]] by entering the Telegraph URL above into the box. (The cat in picture below looks very cross. Probably feels the same way GC women feel - outraged at the notion that some young human could in any way know or speak with experience based knowledge about being a cat!)

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 17:45

The bylines article isn't that revelatory (and was linked earlier in this thread).

It's a new article.

SunnyEgg · 22/06/2023 17:45

And as usual in an article by a TRA they remain blind to the totallity of the issue and just think everything should be about trans.

yep

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 17:44

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 22/06/2023 17:42

Why is the witness in that article any more trustworthy than the girls that recorded it though?

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The school have also confirmed no cats.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/gender-row-school-none-of-our-pupils-identify-as-a-cat/

Gender row school: ‘None of our pupils identify as a cat’

School under investigation over gender controversy hopes government guidance will help teachers

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/gender-row-school-none-of-our-pupils-identify-as-a-cat/

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 22/06/2023 17:42

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 16:59

No, and apparently neither did the teacher in the recording, because there wasn't anyone identifying as a cat.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/22/dead-cats-and-transphobic-lies/

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Why is the witness in that article any more trustworthy than the girls that recorded it though?

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IwantToRetire · 22/06/2023 17:42

typo or freudian slip?

they have a new police = they have a new policy

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IwantToRetire · 22/06/2023 17:39

The bylines article isn't that revelatory (and was linked earlier in this thread).

Most papers have put the sequence of events into their report but have chosen to highlight in headlines what they think their readers will respond to.

And as usual in an article by a TRA they remain blind to the totallity of the issue and just think everything should be about trans.

And even if it was just about trans identity how is it legitimate for a teacher to tell a pupil you are obliged to lie ie if a pupil knows that there are only 2 sexes why should they have to pretend there aren't to facilitate one child's false reality.

Its got to the point that some TRA positions are now so extreme, and they have been pandered to too much, that they really do seem to believe that any one who challenges their belief set is an evil person.

Although to be fair, if institutions and the media hadn't become such servile lap dogs it never would have got to this extreme. ie we would have the trans community, like to have the Goth community, who mix with each other and share values, but wouldn't presume to say the rest of society must join in the lived fantasy. (In the census before last weren't Vulcans the most claimed identity?)

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ResisterRex · 22/06/2023 17:35

WickedSerious · 22/06/2023 17:28

Have any of them identified as a teacher yet?

Or an award-winning student, who's scored all 9s!!!

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 17:33

On the subject of cat litter trays in US classrooms, I did find the most utterly depressing explanation, and it's not because kids are identifying as cats. But they are for children to go to the toilet in.

https://time.com/5658266/colorado-district-kitty-litter-buckets-lockdowns/

Colorado School District Providing Kitty Litter Buckets for Kids to Use the Bathroom During Lockdowns

This is the same district where the Columbine High School mass shooting took place

https://time.com/5658266/colorado-district-kitty-litter-buckets-lockdowns/

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IwantToRetire · 22/06/2023 17:30

Thanks @Mba1974 for your post - but sorry that you and other parents are being put through this.

Before posting this link I did check for similar stories and in fact if was posts on mumsnet (I think it is called LGB Parents??) and other threads that made me think even if the paper is slanting the reporting clearly something is going on.

And how is it possible that there is such a huge disconnect between schools and parents.

And if a school does think what they are doing is valid why for instance dont the inform parents that they have a new police and it is xxxxxx based on advice from zzzzz expert / government policy.

I think I posted earlier on, apart from anything else which school your child/ren go to should be some sort of lottery where in addition to education they may "learn" other things that aren't relevant and could be damaging.

Which come back to why this is being done in secretly and as information has leeked out why isn't more being done to expose it.

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WickedSerious · 22/06/2023 17:28

Have any of them identified as a teacher yet?

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 17:23

Barbadossunset · 22/06/2023 17:06

Interesting article - thank you Noblegiraffe.
So is the whole cat and other animals identification apparently taking place around the country made up?

No idea. Can imagine some sort of internet anime cat thing causing kids to muck around with pronouns and dress up, and why not, they're kids?

I'm pretty sure the Telegraph's breathless reporting of teaching assistants taking horse kids out for a canter and feeding dinosaur kids strips of meat is bullshit though.

WickedSerious · 22/06/2023 17:19

justasking111 · 22/06/2023 13:19

Our first minister 😳

Fucking cockwomble that he is.

SunnyEgg · 22/06/2023 17:19

Naunet · 22/06/2023 17:09

Wow. Well if that’s true, it makes it even worse. So the girls weren’t actually bullying anyone as some have claimed, but the teacher bullied them over a non-existent student’s feelings?! That’s even more outrageous.

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Yep. It’s still not putting the teacher in a good light.

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 17:14

Naunet · 22/06/2023 17:09

Wow. Well if that’s true, it makes it even worse. So the girls weren’t actually bullying anyone as some have claimed, but the teacher bullied them over a non-existent student’s feelings?! That’s even more outrageous.

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No, there's another pupil who the girls upset during a discussion (which they admitted), but that pupil doesn't identify as a cat.

literalviolence · 22/06/2023 17:14

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 16:59

No, and apparently neither did the teacher in the recording, because there wasn't anyone identifying as a cat.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/22/dead-cats-and-transphobic-lies/

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Pepper should have checked, yes. Bu there is also a point being missed in that for most people there is genuinely no difference between identifying as a member of the opposite sex or identifying as an animal. Both are faith based and unscientific. It makes no sense to celebrate one and ban the other.

Naunet · 22/06/2023 17:09

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 16:59

No, and apparently neither did the teacher in the recording, because there wasn't anyone identifying as a cat.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/22/dead-cats-and-transphobic-lies/

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Wow. Well if that’s true, it makes it even worse. So the girls weren’t actually bullying anyone as some have claimed, but the teacher bullied them over a non-existent student’s feelings?! That’s even more outrageous.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/06/2023 17:06

😂 Oh dear:

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did
You deserved it.

Barbadossunset · 22/06/2023 17:06

Interesting article - thank you Noblegiraffe.
So is the whole cat and other animals identification apparently taking place around the country made up?

noblegiraffe · 22/06/2023 16:59

Barbadossunset · 22/06/2023 13:21

@noblegiraffe do you allow your pupils to act being cats in your classes?

No, and apparently neither did the teacher in the recording, because there wasn't anyone identifying as a cat.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/22/dead-cats-and-transphobic-lies/

Dead Cats and Transphobic Lies – Byline Times

The political and media firestorm over a school girl claiming to identify as a cat, turns out to be a story 'too good to check'. Byline Times has spoken to a witness

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/22/dead-cats-and-transphobic-lies/

Barbadossunset · 22/06/2023 16:51

The whole thing is made up. Just like claims in the US that schools were putting litter trays in for students who identified as cats. Just totally made up.

TeaKlaxon do you still think this is all made up?

LadyWithLapdog · 22/06/2023 16:30

Interesting to see that this is happening in both the state and private sector schools, so at least that’s one divide that we don’t need to labour on, it’s not all the fault of the Unions etc.

LadyWithLapdog · 22/06/2023 16:26

@SunnyEgg thanks for the idea. I have emailed a couple of the MPs who stood out for me and I’ll go back to see who else was also particularly good and measured.

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2023 16:00

ResisterRex · 22/06/2023 14:57

Forget cats and moons...it's holograms now

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/22/katharine-birbalsingh-child-identifies-hologram-move-school/

"[Katharine Birbalsingh] said she was aware of a child at one school who identifies as a gay male hologram, and at least one school where a whole group of pupils identify as cats.

Ms Birbalsingh said the issue of children wanting to be recognised as animals was a societal problem rooted in parents’ unwillingness to set boundaries or take difficult decisions about parenting.
She also suggested the issue of children identifying as cats, horses, dinosaurs and other animals or objects in schools was more widespread than people realised, as teachers “are not allowed to tell you what’s going on”."

"Ms Birbalsingh told The Telegraph: “This is not a school problem, it is a societal problem.
“As a society we have lost our way. Teachers and parents have allowed children to lead the way and adult authority has completely dissolved.
“In schools we have allowed children to lead the way. We are scared of our children, we are scared of our responsibility of leading, and we are shying away from our duty of looking after our children.
“It starts from when they are babies or toddlers and we give them a choice of food, rather than showing them to eat what’s in front of them.
“For parents of children who are allowed to behave like this in classrooms, I think they need to move schools quickly.
“I don’t want to blame the school, because I think it’s society’s problem, but there will be schools that are more tolerant of this kind of behaviour and schools that are less tolerant.”
Ms Birbalsingh, who has no children identifying as animals in her school, said she knew of a private school in England where “a bunch of girls identify as cats”, adding: “Children like to be different, they like to stand out, and they also want to be part of a group, and if there is a group of children that are different that is the best thing as far as they are concerned.”"

"Sir, my name is Arnold now. I identify as a career under achiever. I must be anally-retentive, petty and cowardly. When I am 14 I intend to divorce my parents. I aspire to be really shit with relationships"

"My father was a half-crazed military failure; my mother, a bitch-queen from Hell. My brothers had all the looks and talent. What did I have? Unmanageable hair and ingrowing toenails. Yes, I admit I'm nothing. But from what I started with, nothing is up."

So important stuff here: Are we talking a hologram with a hard light drive feature or one without a physical body? Do they believe in reincarnation? Do they have a hero alter ego from another dimenson?

I mean of all the things you could aspire to be, I think a Hologram is an interesting choice...

ResisterRex · 22/06/2023 14:57

Forget cats and moons...it's holograms now

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/22/katharine-birbalsingh-child-identifies-hologram-move-school/

"[Katharine Birbalsingh] said she was aware of a child at one school who identifies as a gay male hologram, and at least one school where a whole group of pupils identify as cats.

Ms Birbalsingh said the issue of children wanting to be recognised as animals was a societal problem rooted in parents’ unwillingness to set boundaries or take difficult decisions about parenting.
She also suggested the issue of children identifying as cats, horses, dinosaurs and other animals or objects in schools was more widespread than people realised, as teachers “are not allowed to tell you what’s going on”."

"Ms Birbalsingh told The Telegraph: “This is not a school problem, it is a societal problem.
“As a society we have lost our way. Teachers and parents have allowed children to lead the way and adult authority has completely dissolved.
“In schools we have allowed children to lead the way. We are scared of our children, we are scared of our responsibility of leading, and we are shying away from our duty of looking after our children.
“It starts from when they are babies or toddlers and we give them a choice of food, rather than showing them to eat what’s in front of them.
“For parents of children who are allowed to behave like this in classrooms, I think they need to move schools quickly.
“I don’t want to blame the school, because I think it’s society’s problem, but there will be schools that are more tolerant of this kind of behaviour and schools that are less tolerant.”
Ms Birbalsingh, who has no children identifying as animals in her school, said she knew of a private school in England where “a bunch of girls identify as cats”, adding: “Children like to be different, they like to stand out, and they also want to be part of a group, and if there is a group of children that are different that is the best thing as far as they are concerned.”"

dcbc1234 · 22/06/2023 14:39

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/06/2023 13:45

Thank you for posting this. So Kitten is 17 &: "She wears a tail, ears, a collar and lead and drinks out of a bowl rather than a water bottle, which she did at the welcome evening for new pupils to meet current pupils recently"

That's the safeguarding failure right there. Not just for that mentally unwell girl but for all the other children coerced to accept that this girl is a different species. What message does this school think they're giving to children?

I do hope that all this will empower parents to contact the school and insist in that this girl is not presented as any type of role model but is urgently given the psychological support she urgently needs. For a school allegedly preparing children for adult life, this is a major fail.

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If that is a private school as you said, you parents need to get together and use your financial power. Threaten to remove your children elsewhere even a state school.
It's like a sexual fantasy being played out fgs. I would not leave my kid in such a school especially if I were paying fees. Maybe the computer hard-drives of some of the staff need checking tbh.