Heads should stop teachers allowing children to identify as cats, says No 10

People have identified with the opposite sex for years - why is someone to blame? What difference does it make?
The bullying thing was the teacher said they'd really upset them. They called her a weirdo or mental or something.

But when they say that young people may be discovering their gender identity, what facts do you think they mean?

And when they recommend Stonewall, what facts do you think they mean?

Honestly, I don't think they know what they mean.

I do know that I was able to challenge my school's dreadful PSHE lessons by referring each line against the guidance.

Sex is a spectrum - not a fact.
Everyone has a gender identity - not a fact.
You must affirm people's gender - not a fact.
And so on.

Now we teach:
Sex is binary - fact.
You can't change sex - fact.
Gender dysphoria exists - fact.
Some people believe they have a gender identity - fact.
Etc.

Do you this was a change for the better?

How do you know she was bullied?

The recording is from when no one else was present, no one knows what was said beforehand.

We all feel sorry for that kid. How they came to decide on whatever identity they chose, and who enabled it, is what is being criticised here - along with the teacher's response, the idiocy that brought us to this point, and the coercion of other pupils to go along with it.

Upsetting another pupil isn't "nothing". That's why statements were needed to be written. Saying that if you're not cisgender you're weird is also not "nothing".

I am not defending the teacher's tone, words or the way she dealt with the pupils. But trying to make out that the teacher just randomly picked on two girls to have a go at for no reason is unfair.

For the third time, noblegiraffe, we are not required to "teach gender identity". We are required to teach about gender identity - the facts and the law.

When I say 'teach gender identity' I mean as a teaching topic. Like teach WWII or Pythagoras.

But when they say that young people may be discovering their gender identity, what facts do you think they mean?

And when they recommend Stonewall, what facts do you think they mean?

@noblegiraffe I’m sorry, I hadn’t meant it to come across like that.

It’s worrying to me that guidelines are followed when they’re so clearly spreading an agenda that is not good for children.

My youngest is autistic and has spent his life identifying as one thing or other. As parents we can allow him to enjoy his hyper focus, but with a tight level of reality.
His school, whilst being pastorally amazing for autistic children, has a dreadful track record of going blindly along with the trans agenda (the political aim of making it true and legal that humans can change sex, when it clearly isn’t true at all) to the detriment of trans pupils (one pupil had clear sex abuse red flags from the start of her time at the school, but because she identified as a boy everyone involved was confused, including CAMHS, and the disturbing behaviour was dismissed as “he” is exploring “his” sexuality (at 11??). This continued until the child decided she was no longer a boy and moved school, where she is finally being helped.
This is one case where I know the family personally. This is the tip of the iceberg of children being let down because of the double standards around trans anything.

As a mother to a vulnerable child I’m horrified that any school would ever go along with any of this. We know that the vast, vast majority of transitioning girls are autistic, or abused, or are looked after children, or have a history of abuse, this is public knowledge, and I can’t understand why so many schools are still denying this and still following guidelines. From a parents point of view I can’t get my head round the apathy. I don’t understand how the majority of teachers aren’t standing up and saying “hang on a minute…”, when in so many cases they’re just sitting by, letting it happen. There are known cases where teachers are TRAs. We know enough now to say that the whole rotten thing should have no place in schools, but because it’s such a political hot potato and so many are sitting by doing nothing, saying nothing, here we are.

So therefore it makes the teacher even worse. She bullied those girls over nothing.

No one knows the conversation before the recording started.

Based on the recording alone, even if no cat involved, the teacher dealt with it badly

This time it's because they've made it mandatory for schools to teach gender identity

For the third time, noblegiraffe, we are not required to "teach gender identity". We are required to teach about gender identity - the facts and the law.

We can and should challenge any demands to teach this ideology as if it were fact. It isn't always easy to do so, but we are supposed to be intelligent adults.

I didn't say bullying.

Not bullying though is it, to just disagree with someone, even if it upsets them.

The PP who is a teacher - I agree. Sounds like teachers have been put in a difficult position.

I genuinely still don't get it and am not trying to be inflammatory. I know I'm in the minority on this post. If someone wants to identify as someone from the opposite sex, so what? What is a TRA?

"Happily complying with TRA manifestos"

Not a fucking clue what you're talking about.

My 'thing' is generally pointing out that the government are constantly dropping teachers in the shit.

This time it's because they've made it mandatory for schools to teach gender identity, not specified what they meant by that, recommended Stonewall as a source of info and are now getting VERY CROSS that teachers are doing it wrong.

And this teacher has also been a lightning rod for abuse from shitty people like Laurence Fox and his ilk because of the whole cat thing which now turns out to have been not true.

Which part of being pissed off about that makes me a TRA?

I’m not meaning you personally, but the education system that’s enabling this to happen, along with other organisations.

I was replying to @HipTightOnions , but if you are happily complying with TRA manifestos you might as well be.
You’re certainly not doing anything to protect vulnerable students, or on a wider scale the dismantling of women’s rights.

I would hope that with the growing information about trans issues, whether cats or “changing” sex, that schools would be keeping as up to date as possible, as their pupils future health/rights are at stake.
The fact that they’re not is horrifying.
The language being accepted like “cis” is Orwellian newspeak, no one should be accepting it. Look into its roots. Look into queer theory - schools should be the bastions of sense here. I despair that they were so easily sold to the alter of Stonewall.

So it’s alright to shout at your pupils, tell them that you think they should find another school and that they are ‘despicable’ , even though the basis for your opinion is your incorrect understanding of the issue.

But do you have the same attitude to marking ? ‘ oh I misunderstood, I thought 2+ 2 = 5, it’s complex…. But I still think you should go to another school because you seem to insist on 2+2 = 4’

You think I'm a TRA? 😂

I was referring to the intersex thing.

It’s part of the TRA script.

No, I'm a maths teacher.

I am reporting what was said in the conversation.

The teacher is not listening at all. The girls are asking for respect for their view. The teacher goes off on one about the girls saying that cisgender is the norm when very clearly they didn't say that at all. The teacher then starts making spurious and complete unjustified links with homophobia (ironically despite the fact that the stance she is taking is a homophobia supporting one). The teacher was misusing her power and therefore being a bully. Her behaviour was absolutely awful. The girls were not bullying. They were standing up to a bully. She should be struck off. It's awful that you accuse the girls of bullying - in reality you are the bully here because you're piling on people who've already being abused by a sordid anti-woman system. I'd be ashamed if I'd raised someone who thought your stance was reasonable.