France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

I don't believe everyone who attends Pride believes as you do. I think many people probably have a more moderate view. Your views seem to be extreme. And ill articulated.

Yet, you seem to appointed yourself as the representative viewpoint of all those who attend an event.

There is that polarised thinking again. You don't seem to be able to conceive that many people with many different beliefs attend publicly open events. That seems inconceivable to hold as a concept as an adult who has the ability to critically think and analyse the world around them.

And by the way, women's rights rallies are not 'transphobic'. You really don't seem to have any depth of understanding about either women's rights OR transphobia either. It is almost like there is little substance to what you write.

It all does seem rather inconsistent.

Loads of lesbians like to sleep with men I expect

it must get very tiring being you

Men who want to break the cotton ceiling are calling themselves Lesbians.
Are you ok with that?
Actual heterosexual men insisting on being given access to Lesbian groups and Lesbian bodies?

Helle already pointed out above that TRAs=Trans Rights Activists, and activists are people. "Lot", on the other hand is a group of literally anything so is dehumanising.

It was Melbourne and I already posted a first-hand report from the Let Women Speak event debunking that earlier in this thread.

Uganda recently changed the law - being gay can result in the death penalty. What do Stonewall have to say about it? I just searched their website and took a screenshot - nada!

And the word 'tolerant' has been shown to now mean the exact opposite of its original meaning. And therefore worthless.

I am thinking though that klaxon is doing a mighty fine job of showing what tolerance means today to a small group of people with extreme prejudices and extreme demands.

I mean given that @TeaKlaxon thinks that some men are women, their idea of what a verifiable lesbian is could be literally anything

if words have no meaning then nothing you say has meaning

Still I am none the wiser to whether two males, at least one of whom a late transitioner, can be considered a "lesbian couple".

It's very instructive just how much rage there is when women assert their boundaries and say 'No'.

As for the views of those 'verifiable' lesbians, well they may talk the talk but like the one ranting at us don't walk the walk. After all, we keep being told that TW have been around for years and years and years, surprising that none of those 'verifiable' lesbians have ever so much as dated one isn't it? Good for thee but not for me, how very hypocritical.

Me finding someone attractive, or being willing to sleep with them, is not the definition of what makes a woman.

Indeed, the definition of woman is adult human female and TW do not fall into that category whatever you or they may say.

Please post your evidence.

If you cannot post your evidence it will become very clear that you are repeating misinformation you have found credible without that evidence being based on anything except spurious claims and very poor logic.

I'm looking forward to seeing all of the references to 'TRAs' used against any poster who supports trans rights being reported and deleted then.

They frequently are.

So what "pet Nazis" were you referring to then?

All unevidenced ad hominem and guilt by association.

No. Because Nazis weren't on the same side as jewish people. They are, on the other hand, on the same side as Posie Parker.

Why are you so concerned with what various public figures say and do as opposed to what you think and what people in this thread are saying?

It all seems very "these people (Nancy Kelley, Sandi Tokvig, et al) are the good ones and the authority which should be heeded and Posie Parker is evil and should be denounced".

I'm sure I can't be the only one here who doesn't unquestionably follow any specific person or group as the absolute authority on what I should personally think about any of these issues - I would never dream of blindly following someone else's views or revering them as some sort of philosophical god to the exclusion of my own reflection on the issues. I might agree with some things Posie Parker says or does and I might disagree with others. Ditto re Sandi Tokvig, and so on.

I just don't see how it helps to cling so rigidly to what some other human once said or did when we are trying to discuss lesbian rights that affect the little people on the ground who aren't famous.

This isn't some kind of holy war - I don't care what your god thinks; not what your god thinks about the god you have wrongly assumed I have pledged allegiance to - I'm interested in what you think and what experience and perspective you have that leads you to your own conclusions, if you please.

"on the same side as Posie Parker."

Again, would you like to provide evidence of that accusation?

Because you have just confirmed up thread that you actually don't have any information you are just repeating empty accusations.

You really do not care that you seem incapable of discussing anything with any form of engagement. I don't think anyone reading along by now would consider your intentions here to explain and convince. It seems to be all about how much you can abuse others who don't disagree with you.

I'm looking forward to seeing all of the references to 'TRAs' used against any poster who supports trans rights being reported and deleted then.

It is rather stark when you see it all laid out like that. The abject hatred of women who won't accept male people as lesbians.

Isn't it.

Oops. "You lot" again, obvs.

A reminder that sweeping negative stereotyping of groups of posters is against talk guidelines.