France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

Because the point has never actually been safety and risk for the ring leaders.

Who are the ring leaders? I'm getting very confused.

‘The ringleaders’

🤣🤣🤣

Nah, thought as much. You clearly have nothing better to do. Waffling online to whoever will read it. Perhaps just try waffling when you're alone, it's not as embarrassing then.

perhaps you lot should do more to stop them rocking up to support your 'rallies'.

How about "you lot" stay away and then the Police will be able to concentrate on the Nazis who I suspect are better behaved than "you lot".

Man TeaKlaxon is sounding increasingly unhinged

Ha ha! - now we all KNOW you're pulling it out of your arse

Guys you need to get your story straight.

You lot

I don't know about anyone else on this thread, by I know that I'm just a random person using MN - I'm not part of any specific church or movement and I don't understand why you're talking as if everyone is one big homogenous group.

The reason I feel the need to say this is because I often feel that my experiences and opinions are dismissed as "obviously being rooted in transphobia" because some Nazi or ultra-right wing activist said that transwomen are biologically male and so if I say a similar thing, I'm assumed to be a Nazi too.

If we can't move away from assuming that everyone who disagrees on gender ideology is doing so in bad faith, how will we ever find any common ground?

I assume common ground and discussion is what you were seeking here?

The Revolutionary Communist Party and the Socialist Workers used to rock up as well, trying to appropriate the causes and blag free publicity exactly like the Nazis Down Under. Didn't make me anything to do with either the RCP or the SWP then and it doesn't make Kellie-Jay Keen anything to do with Nazis now.

What a silly link. It just says "claims"with no actual proof or real evidence. The NZ Herald themselves stated that several groups just turned up.

By that logic does this mean all TRAs who show up at Speakers Corner are PP and Womens Rights fans? Cool 😎

I have friends who are lesbians going out with transwomen

Did you ever think you'd live in a would where an actual lesbian would come out with this sort of utter illogical, offensive bullshit?

So, again we have someone attempting to discredit others because some people turn up at public event where they cannot be stopped that that someone considers to be a 'x' ).

So. if a x turned up at a Pride event, those Pride organisers would have aligned themselves with those people.

Remember, before this event, Kellie Jay Keen denounced any connection with nazis.

So, even if the Pride organisers denounced those people on international news Klaxon here would declare them to be aligned with x.

Nope. Never claimed transphobes are nazis.

But transphobes are actively backed by nazis. If you don't like it, perhaps you lot should do more to stop them rocking up to support your 'rallies'.

🤣🤣🤣 guilt by association?

@TinselAngel for the win! And if women and Lesbians don't support men who really really really enjoy wearing frocks in our social groups, changing rooms and sports
We're NAZIS 😂

That twitter thread says these people 'turned' up.

It wasn't evidence of their motivation at all.

Where is the evidence of that motivation? Or have you simply perpetuated the 'guilt by someone turning up to a public event' myth.

Which would be misinformation. Yes, they may have turned up. But you have not proven they were there for KJK or any of the women. You have merely engaged in a smear campaign.

Hardly credible.

The 'evidence' is that Twitter feed apparently @Helleofabore , I have to admit I was hoping for something more substantial but there we go.

What?

Because I don't use Twitter?

link us up.

You obviously have done a google search. Show us exactly what you are reading. And while you are doing that, also show us the evidence that any of the women organising the event or attending were 'aligned' with these people.

Rather than they were opportunistic people who either wanted to hear what was said, or wanted to cause trouble of their own.

Otherwise, you are again spreading misinformation.

Please show us the evidence you have discovered.

There are, of course, none so blind as those who will not see.

Guys you need to get your story straight.

Are you saying the nazis didn't rock up to support Posie? Or that they did but it's fine?

It can't be both.

Thank you, I don't use Twitter though so it would not be my port of call for reliable evidence.

I don't think you've looked very hard.

https://twitter.com/Paparoa3/status/1639793858367332353

Well, I am open to being convinced.

It will take evidence though. And substantial evidence. Do you have anything to post for us to read. I am very happy to read to take in new concepts and adapt my thinking. Hence I ask for evidence. I suspect I am not alone.