Page 3 | France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

ArabeIIaScott · 2023-06-20T09:17:15+00:00

[[https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia/]] 'A female-only lesbian advocacy group in France was excluded from their local Pride parade on the basis that they did not allow the membership of trans-identified males. ^Femmes Entre Elles ^was labeled “transphobic” for restricting its advocacy to issues faced by women. ^Femmes Entre Elles^, which translates to “Women Among Themselves,” is a single-sex association for lesbian and bisexual women that has operated for over 30 years. It has been involved in campaigns to support women’s sex-based rights and the rights of lesbian women. But on May 27, the group was informed via email that they were not welcome to participate in the annual Pride march in Rennes'

suggestionsplease1 · 22/06/2023 22:08

sanluca · 22/06/2023 22:04

Suggestions, you have been told multiple times, looking at countries who score high (but still dismal) in economic power of women says zero about the social position of women. Nor can the impact of self id be visible yet in the calculations of the economic positions of the sexes as it is too soon, neither positive ('women' score better because male people climb the career ladder and then change their sex registration), nor negative (women lose opportunities because male people use them as 'women').

Personally I think these countries basically went well, we 'achieved' sex equality because 1 of the 5 CEO's is female, so what is the next group we can support and we just helped women so they should take a backseat now

The report doesn't just look at the economic gender gap; it examines four key areas: health, education, economy and politics.

And actually the economic position of women and social position of women is very highly correlated.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2023 22:08

Hepwo

Hepwo · 22/06/2023 22:08

suggestionsplease1 · 22/06/2023 22:01

But that's the whole point...these countries, who have done so well for women, are happy to say 'ok, yeah, we don't actually think it's necessary to have one singular definition of woman or man, and we think we can proceed in a good way forward, allowing people more freedom to define that for themselves'.

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Did all 15 odd millions tell you that suggestions?

Hepwo · 22/06/2023 22:06

Suggestions likes to wedge it any where it's not expected.

Which is kinda the problem in a nutshell.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2023 22:05

New Zealand is clearly fucking awful for women's rights.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2023 22:05

What does this even tenuously have to do with French lesbians at Pride?

Hepwo · 22/06/2023 22:04

Norway 5.4 million
Finland 5.4 million
New Zealand 5.1 million

Three countries with 1/14th of the population of the UK.

I'm wondering why we are being compared with these tiny remote countries?

suggestionsplease1 · 22/06/2023 22:04

OhWhatMerryHellIsThis · 22/06/2023 22:01

Ireland has self-id.

Not such a great record on women's rights, as far as I can remember, so I'm not entirely sure they go together.

And no, we weren't asked, obviously

Ireland performs better on the global gender gap index than the UK.

sanluca · 22/06/2023 22:04

Suggestions, you have been told multiple times, looking at countries who score high (but still dismal) in economic power of women says zero about the social position of women. Nor can the impact of self id be visible yet in the calculations of the economic positions of the sexes as it is too soon, neither positive ('women' score better because male people climb the career ladder and then change their sex registration), nor negative (women lose opportunities because male people use them as 'women').

Personally I think these countries basically went well, we 'achieved' sex equality because 1 of the 5 CEO's is female, so what is the next group we can support and we just helped women so they should take a backseat now

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2023 22:02

Not such a great record on women's rights, as far as I can remember, so I'm not entirely sure they go together.

Nor does Malta, which is frequently held up as a genderist paradise.

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ArabeIIaScott · 22/06/2023 22:02

Look, you've brought this same argument up before. It's not relevant, it's derailing, and I'm not going to discuss it. Start another thread if you want to discuss that report so badly.

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suggestionsplease1 · 22/06/2023 22:01

ArabeIIaScott · 22/06/2023 21:56

I don't mean to be rude, suggestions. But it's all so damn vague. If you're not willing to define words and you thing we're being 'hung up' on definitions, how on earth can anyone discuss anythign? It's all just a swirling meaningless miasma.

But that's the whole point...these countries, who have done so well for women, are happy to say 'ok, yeah, we don't actually think it's necessary to have one singular definition of woman or man, and we think we can proceed in a good way forward, allowing people more freedom to define that for themselves'.

OhWhatMerryHellIsThis · 22/06/2023 22:01

Ireland has self-id.

Not such a great record on women's rights, as far as I can remember, so I'm not entirely sure they go together.

And no, we weren't asked, obviously

Hepwo · 22/06/2023 21:59

Oh that's the report with Iceland at the top, a tiny country with a population of 375,000

More facts about Iceland

Read below and you'll be truly ready for your upcoming trip to Iceland.

Many Icelanders believe in elves. ...
It is one of the oldest democracies in the world. ...
The unique Icelandic language includes over 100 words for wind. ...
Ice cream is the perfect first date. ...
Iceland has 13 Santas (kind of) ...
Icelanders love books.

Elves!
13 Santa's!
Genderists are in good company!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2023 21:58

Yes, I'm sure you do. I don't share your belief.

suggestionsplease1 · 22/06/2023 21:56

ArabeIIaScott · 22/06/2023 21:55

'things' - who the fuck knows, mate?

I think they're in a pretty good position to know, given their strong track record.

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ArabeIIaScott · 22/06/2023 21:56

I don't mean to be rude, suggestions. But it's all so damn vague. If you're not willing to define words and you thing we're being 'hung up' on definitions, how on earth can anyone discuss anythign? It's all just a swirling meaningless miasma.

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ArabeIIaScott · 22/06/2023 21:55

'things' - who the fuck knows, mate?

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suggestionsplease1 · 22/06/2023 21:52

ArabeIIaScott · 22/06/2023 21:50

'They are not hung up on definitions, and they are doing the best for women.'

Or, you know, people in general.

Yeah they've clearly got the right ideas about things, eh?

Hepwo · 22/06/2023 21:52

They are not hung up on definitions, and they are doing the best for women.

Millions of people told you that did they?

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ArabeIIaScott · 22/06/2023 21:50

'They are not hung up on definitions, and they are doing the best for women.'

Or, you know, people in general.

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Hepwo · 22/06/2023 21:50

Have the millions of people in these countries that support self-id just suddenly lost their minds or something?

Have the millions of people in these countries had a proper consultation on this? Fully engaging with the millions? With a proper explanation of the implications?

The answer is very unlikely to be yes. We all know the way that gets rammed in.

So, the answer from your two options is or something.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2023 21:48

I can answer!

Are two males who both identify as women in a lesbian relationship:

No.

I doubt there are many people, however much they are ra ra trans rights, who truly believe that they are.

suggestionsplease1 · 22/06/2023 21:48

AgnestaVipers · 22/06/2023 21:43

Can you define what you mean by 'women' here?

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Why do you think the top 4 performing countries in the world on the global gender gap index are happy to proceed with easier ways for people to define as the gender they feel most aligned with?

They are not hung up on definitions, and they are doing the best for women.

AgnestaVipers · 22/06/2023 21:43

suggestionsplease1 · 22/06/2023 21:41

That's a really poor response.

This is very highly regarded report on equality for women and is referred to by governments and bodies worldwide to help them understand and address the inequalities that women experience.

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Can you define what you mean by 'women' here?