France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

And also: legislation has been snuck in by stealth and piggybacking on rights for homosexuals.

Example: Norway has a suggestion for legislation to ‘ban conversion therapy for homosexuals and those with different gender identities, under 16 years’

which is horrifying when you understand what it means in real terms regarding affirmation, pronouns, puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones and surgeries for the children covered by the ‘and those with different gender identities’.

For most people it just means be kind, not that you’ll be jailed if you don’t let John (6’8’’) be June and call him she whilst he pummels all competition in a chosen girls sport.

A ban against conversion therapy for homosexuals- yes please.
A ban on questioning whether Tara, 9 years old, is really Kevin, watchful waiting, access to neutral talking services - no Thank you.

But people have NOT been told what this actually entails, and when they do find out they are NOT accepting this mangling of the language, the curtailing of our freedom of speech and the blatant lies about biology.

The question of men in women’s sport has alerted many to the issue.

I'm not shocked it's par for the course it's what they do.

I'm not the least bit surprised the TRAs totally removed butch Lesbian Storme DeLarverie who started the Stonewall Inn riots and replaced her with gay drag king Marsha Johnson , transing him too.
They love to rewrite Lesbian and Gay history.
They're liars and misogynists.

Oops sorry - I see there already is a separate thread on that so never mind!

ArabeIIaScott I feel like this needs its own thread so more people on here are aware - that's appalling.

I remember when this was reported at the time and we had a poster on here one of those on the GI/TWAW side like certain posters on here trying to whitewash and completely dismiss what had happened, the twisting and excuses were enlightening to say the least.

The only conclusion is that violence from the TWAW side is not only condoned but enthusiastically supported along with all the seriously questionable people on that side.

I will take NO lectures from those posters nor will I give any credence to their mutterings.

Yes. I believe you are quite right rufus

This is key; Lesbians, women, are forging our own groups, networks and marches.
I agree with @ArabeIIaScott that Pride did nothing for women; gay men ruled. And now they're kicking us out for not being sufficiently compliant to the 'new women; the ones with dicks' (love Ricky Gervais)

Our only way back as Lesbians is to go it alone, be independent; it's why I joined
"Get the L Out"
We can join one other group; Women.

CompleteGinasaur yes! Confirmed my belief that by having our own events we can take back the power , and define our own terms. So glad that now lesbians and women are meeting up, even if underground . Hoping that younger women are able to find the strength in women only spaces for themselves, contrary to what we are told, that there are so many lesbians who support the tra narrative.

Was at the Leeds Lesbian Strength too, RamblingNameChanger. Wasn't it absolutely great!

Pride is no longer something that lesbian women feel part of and indeed these days would only attend to protest. In the city near where I live we are given strict instructions about who can be included and who cannot. More locally, some workshops aimed at teachers have been totally about trans children in schools. And a small social space advertised their pride event as a chance to compete in supposedly empowering high heels, and celebrate fetish and kink. Of course we lesbians have to protest at the forced teaming and show that we can never again join in and celebrate our own sexuality under the all so inclusive banner. I would always turn out for a lesbian strength march though. Anyone remember the London ones in the eighties? And the Leeds one a few years ago? Now they were what I would call empowering.

Absolutely

didnt MNHQ delete someone recently for derailing a thread

and no, women on FWR have been told off many many times for ‘derailing’ when generally they have taken evasive action against derailers

As ArabellaScott and others have pointed out, we have always met up in private. The whole point of Pride, however, was that we were finally supposed to be able to meet in public, in effect to reclaim the public space for Gays and Lesbians just as Women had begun to do at the start of the century. The gradual assimilation of Gay politics and even Feminism into Queer Theory and Trans Ideology is beginning to operate like a kind of urinary leash for Lesbians, destroying all of the spaces where we could safely meet. The loss of these spaces is bad enough, but the loss of Pride as a symbol of possibility and validation is almost worse.

I agree.

Of course, as others have said, we can find each other and meet up privately in secret to retain our single-sex spaces. But it's unbelievable that we have to go to such lengths to live as lesbians in 2023.

And although there are ways to meet up in secret, it is still unacceptable that lesbians are effectively excluded from public life and from discussing their experiences or asserting their boundaries in lots of little ways that make many of us feel bullied into an "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality.

I understand how we got where we are (Stonewall, etc), but the sooner corporates, public institutions and individuals accept that gender ideology is a philosophical belief that not everyone holds, the better.

Also, chicken and egg... males 'identifying as female' (or gender fluid or whatever like pips Bunce and Izzard) only after women have made some progress towards sex equality.

Incredible that women in advanced, western countries are no longer able to meet without males present.

We have gone so far backward in the past decade - thanks purely to trans and gender ideology - that we’re practically in the 19th century.

So, so depressing…..

We have to look at what people are DOING

they may (like some of the posters on this thread) be saying that everyone can love who they love and it’s all about equality

but what is actually happening? People are taking the opportunity to harass lesbians and drive them underground

'The women, many of whom were survivors of the sex trade, soon found themselves swarmed and outnumbered by trans activists who called them “SWERFs,” for Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist, and shouted “no feminism without whores.”

God, they don't stop being disgusting for a nano second, do they?

Nobody has ever sensibly addressed my query as to why the top 4 countries in the world that are doing the best to close the gender gap between men and women are also countries that have proceeded with self-id?

Surely it's obvious?

If you're including men in the category of women, it's obviously going to close the gender pay gap, isn't it?

If I remember correctly, I don’t believe what was collected had much relevance to ‘self id’ at all. It was pretty much irrelevant.

it really is bizarre behaviour by suggestions. But it is consistent. It is like bringing up something that KJK supposedly said, when in fact when you review the entire translation, it doesn’t say what Suggestions wants it to say at all. But that bad faith take is constantly posted. I can only think that if they do it enough times, one reader might be convinced.