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Adam Kay

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AsTreesWalking · 18/06/2023 12:27

Anyone hear Desert Island Discs this morning? He's quite an interesting fellow, who resigned as a doctor in obstetrics because he couldn't bear his grief over deaths of babies and mothers.
Imagine my surprise-disbelief- to hear that he and his husband have 2 babies under a year old from 2 surrogate mothers. And he actually said that he hopes the children will forgive any mistakes they will make...

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WhatNoRaisins · 18/06/2023 13:10

I did enjoy the books, didn't think that the gallows humour was particularly awful, it's just normal for places like hospitals. I can't get my head around someone that actually saw a women bleed to death in childbirth putting a woman through that risk unecesserily.

AsTreesWalking · 18/06/2023 13:07

I’m not interested in whether he’s gay or not. Gay men are perfectly capable of bringing up children. What is wrong is commercial surrogacy.

Exactly. My point in starting the thread was my disgust at a doctor of obstetrics (or snyone) buying two babies and depriving them of their mothers.

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nauticant · 18/06/2023 13:06

If I heard right, he knew he was gay, he was out to certain people, and decided to marry a woman for some reason. The marriage failed.

It was one of those unusual Desert Island Discs programmes where your opinion of the guest went lower and lower the longer it went on.

SequinsandStilettos · 18/06/2023 13:06

I understood that he resigned because he was told that statistically all ob-gynaes regardless of ability would lose a baby/mother or both every five years. Having been through that twice in a decade, he realised he was not cut out for the trauma of not being able to save them. I don't blame him for that either.
I have blamed him in the past for gallows humour/apocryphal anecdotes/disablist lyrics and potential harm wrt the tattooed patient. His resignation, however, I can completely understand. His use of two surrogates I find problematic but can understand why he has, if his partner and him wanted children and adoption was not possible.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/06/2023 13:03

SequinsandStilettos · 18/06/2023 12:58

He isn't the first or last gay man to use a surrogate. Perhaps, fostering or adoption would have been problematic due to his past mental health issues/eating disorder, we don't know.
If this thread is about surrogacy full-stop, fair enough, but singling out a gay couple for using a surrogate - what's the public interest?
As for the "making mistakes" comment, why are you criticising him for that? All new parents with any common sense know they will make mistakes but hope that unconditional love will make up for it.

I’m not interested in whether he’s gay or not. Gay men are perfectly capable of bringing up children. What is wrong is commercial surrogacy.

Theredjellybean · 18/06/2023 13:00

I find him insufferable - and his assertions he left medicine because of grief is a cover story, he couldn't hack it, wasn't actually very good at the job and is a blatant misogenist.
I will not be listening and i usually love DiD

SequinsandStilettos · 18/06/2023 12:58

He isn't the first or last gay man to use a surrogate. Perhaps, fostering or adoption would have been problematic due to his past mental health issues/eating disorder, we don't know.
If this thread is about surrogacy full-stop, fair enough, but singling out a gay couple for using a surrogate - what's the public interest?
As for the "making mistakes" comment, why are you criticising him for that? All new parents with any common sense know they will make mistakes but hope that unconditional love will make up for it.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/06/2023 12:58

I wonder how he thinks the babies felt.
Imagine choosing to begin your child’s life with such trauma.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 18/06/2023 12:48

I wonder how he thinks the mothers felt*

The mothers who lost their babies, I meant.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 18/06/2023 12:48

he couldn't bear his grief over deaths of babies and mothers

I wonder how he thinks the mothers felt.

Horrible man. He doesn't like women at all.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/06/2023 12:35

This was one of those surprised but not surprised moments.
The way he dehumanises mothers in his book it is no surprise he is prepared to commodify women and babies. He absolutely disgusts me.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 18/06/2023 12:35

I read This is Going to Hurt and found it a bit 'off'. I felt there was a lack of respect for the birthing women who were his patients. The surrogate thing stacks up