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Adam Kay

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AsTreesWalking · 18/06/2023 12:27

Anyone hear Desert Island Discs this morning? He's quite an interesting fellow, who resigned as a doctor in obstetrics because he couldn't bear his grief over deaths of babies and mothers.
Imagine my surprise-disbelief- to hear that he and his husband have 2 babies under a year old from 2 surrogate mothers. And he actually said that he hopes the children will forgive any mistakes they will make...

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DipsyLaLaPo · 19/06/2023 10:30

Ilovealido · 19/06/2023 10:22

I’d like to know if there’s any ‘comedy’ which treats men with the same disgust. Why is it so often aimed at women?

But it wouldn't be offensive, so the kind of comedy that depends on causing offense won't go after men. It punches down, usually.

WhenIWasAFieldMyself · 19/06/2023 10:29

DipsyLaLaPo · 19/06/2023 09:39

It is comedy of the Frankie Boyle style. It is meant to be very offensive. If you listen to the songs, they take the melody of pop songs and repurpose into something extreme. So More than words becomes Northern birds. It is meant to be deeply ironic and silly. He doesn't actually think those things...

He's doing his best to whitewash it all away now, true.

Call me naive, but I tend to think that if you don't find women disgusting, and elderly women's bodies repulsive, and people with Downs Syndrome funny, and women from the north fat slags you're probably better off not saying you do. Just in case people take you at face value.

And you might once, arguably, as a student idiot, have let slip something foul that you genuinely didn't really think. At a push. (Though I've been a student and didn't find myself blurting out hate that I didn't really believe so that apology for this vile man is pushing it a bit) but to continue until well into your adult years churning out the same disgusting shit in print, and on stage...well, perhaps he believes it more than you'd like to think.

Beowulfa · 19/06/2023 10:23

My bloke is addicted to Radio 4. At the end of Desert Island Discs yesterday he shouted "babies that you bought!" at the radio. Previously he'd had a vague idea that Kaye was a R4 style comedian, and therefore a good guy.

Interesting what he said about his parents expecting him to go into Medicine, so he did. I'd like to think university Admissions teams are better at weeding these types out by now.

Ilovealido · 19/06/2023 10:22

DipsyLaLaPo · 19/06/2023 09:39

It is comedy of the Frankie Boyle style. It is meant to be very offensive. If you listen to the songs, they take the melody of pop songs and repurpose into something extreme. So More than words becomes Northern birds. It is meant to be deeply ironic and silly. He doesn't actually think those things...

I’d like to know if there’s any ‘comedy’ which treats men with the same disgust. Why is it so often aimed at women?

ArabeIIaScott · 19/06/2023 10:05

DipsyLaLaPo · 19/06/2023 09:39

It is comedy of the Frankie Boyle style. It is meant to be very offensive. If you listen to the songs, they take the melody of pop songs and repurpose into something extreme. So More than words becomes Northern birds. It is meant to be deeply ironic and silly. He doesn't actually think those things...

Frankie Boyle who threatened to violently rape a woman in the audience? Another misogynist arsehole.

viques · 19/06/2023 09:57

SequinsandStilettos · 18/06/2023 12:58

He isn't the first or last gay man to use a surrogate. Perhaps, fostering or adoption would have been problematic due to his past mental health issues/eating disorder, we don't know.
If this thread is about surrogacy full-stop, fair enough, but singling out a gay couple for using a surrogate - what's the public interest?
As for the "making mistakes" comment, why are you criticising him for that? All new parents with any common sense know they will make mistakes but hope that unconditional love will make up for it.

So if you are deemed unsuitable to foster or adopt a child for whatever reason it is OK to pay for one , or even two, because the very act of buying a child on the open market paying for a child will automatically negate all the red flags that made you unsuitable to foster or adopt a vunerable child.

As the song says “ money talks” . I just don’t like what it says when it comes to buying babies.

viques · 19/06/2023 09:41

SequinsandStilettos · 18/06/2023 12:58

He isn't the first or last gay man to use a surrogate. Perhaps, fostering or adoption would have been problematic due to his past mental health issues/eating disorder, we don't know.
If this thread is about surrogacy full-stop, fair enough, but singling out a gay couple for using a surrogate - what's the public interest?
As for the "making mistakes" comment, why are you criticising him for that? All new parents with any common sense know they will make mistakes but hope that unconditional love will make up for it.

Two surrogates. At the same time. I wonder why, seems a bit belt and braces in case something went wrong with one of the pregnancies. Thank heavens he isn’t practising OBGYN any more, his utter distain and abhorrence for women’s bodies is clear.

FrancescaContini · 19/06/2023 09:41

DipsyLaLaPo · 19/06/2023 09:39

It is comedy of the Frankie Boyle style. It is meant to be very offensive. If you listen to the songs, they take the melody of pop songs and repurpose into something extreme. So More than words becomes Northern birds. It is meant to be deeply ironic and silly. He doesn't actually think those things...

Oh. How come you have such insight into what he thinks?

SirVixofVixHall · 19/06/2023 09:40

FrancescaContini · 18/06/2023 13:31

I agree with you, @TheCountessofFitzdotterel His sexuality is completely irrelevant.

Agree too.

DipsyLaLaPo · 19/06/2023 09:39

It is comedy of the Frankie Boyle style. It is meant to be very offensive. If you listen to the songs, they take the melody of pop songs and repurpose into something extreme. So More than words becomes Northern birds. It is meant to be deeply ironic and silly. He doesn't actually think those things...

Ilovealido · 19/06/2023 09:36

NutellaEllaElla · 19/06/2023 09:26

I mean the point of comedy is to be silly, it is not meant to be taken seriously, otherwise it would be a rally.

Those song lyrics aren’t funny- not remotely. It’s not ‘silly’ it’s absolutely dripping in misogyny. Dressing something up as comedy doesn’t make it any less offensive.

NutellaEllaElla · 19/06/2023 09:26

I mean the point of comedy is to be silly, it is not meant to be taken seriously, otherwise it would be a rally.

FrancescaContini · 19/06/2023 08:14

”They’re all physically deformed
Northern birds”

Yeah. Silly boy.

WhenIWasAFieldMyself · 19/06/2023 07:01

Sadly but not unsurprisingly lots of apologists for him on the other thread. Apparently because he wrote those lyrics 20 years ago it's OK. He was "young" and we all say "silly things" that we "don't mean".
Someone has pointed out he was 24 and already working for the NHS at the time.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/06/2023 01:00

Fuck me Adam

just because it rhymes it doesn’t make it ok

and as for ‘you shouldn’t have babies at 53’, well yes, that’s biological reality for you

shall we try another one? How about ‘two men can’t make a baby'?

🎯

Yfory · 19/06/2023 00:46

I didnt listen but I gather he referred to women who are pregnant as "pregnant people".
I have zero time for men like him.

FrancescaContini · 19/06/2023 00:45

“Northern sex is worse than rape” WTAF?

FrancescaContini · 19/06/2023 00:43

@tmchsnvrngh Did Adam Kay write those words? He must be a very disturbed man: the vitriol against women is sickening to read. There’s nothing witty or satirical here - it’s blatant nastiness from a man who finds women loathsome and repugnant. How will he treat Ruby when she needs sanpro?

AsTreesWalking · 18/06/2023 21:58

Honestly, I didn't know much about him when I posted. Hadn't read his book or watched the series, I was just so flabbergasted when he talked about the babies - like a pp I thought he'd say they were adopted.
Having read the thread I very sorry for those children.

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dimorphism · 18/06/2023 21:24

tmchsnvrngh · 18/06/2023 20:59

Fellas, Aren't you glad you're not...a woman? You're not a Sheila, you're a Peter, or a Clive. Because their lack of spatial awareness, makes them really fkin' careless. You should, never, ever let a woman drive. When a girl is sitting at the wheel you're gonna hear the crunch of steel. There's a very real danger that she'll crash into a stranger. If you want to leave the car alive never let a woman drive. If you ever let a bird reverse you're gonna end up in a hearse. You're in massive fkin' peril if you're driver's name is Sheryl If you want to leave the car alive never let a woman drive

It’s amazing how pretty you looked on that night, Your skirt was so short and your top was so tight. I bought you a drink and we danced on the floor, We pulled and you came back to mine for some more. Your skirt ended up on the living room chairs, And your top and your bra, they came off on the stairs, And though you looked fit with your clothes on, Man I was a fool… Cos you look like sht when you wear nothing at all. Oh the clothes that you wore looked a million dollars, But the body beneath, it looked just like Rick Waller’s. The makeup you wear is a clever disguise To hide your moustache and the squint in your eyes. Your cellulite’s dreadful, your covered in zits and Your stomach’s about as defined as quicksand. If I’m being honest your tits are unacceptably small, So you look like sht when you wear nothing at all. When we went back to mine I was up for a shag. In the bedroom I realised you’re a dumpy old slag. Your pubes reach your navel and they cover your thighs, Didn’t know they made arses that size. When we met on that night, I could swear that I never Would have guessed you’re a female Andrew Lloyd Webber. The hair on your chest’s a bit endocrinological, And you look like sht when you wear nothing at all. Your teeth are all yellow, with bloody great gaps so Your face is a picture, by Pablo Picasso. I can see that your arse has its own gravitational pull, And you look like sht when you wear nothing at all.

Once a month your girl's upset She goes to Boots to buy Lilets It happens every 28 days, When she's in her Luteal phase. All she does in moan and nag, You go five days without a shag There's no cunnilingus You can only use your fingers When she's using a menstrual rag. For the week or two preceeding The days your other half is bleeding, The moody b**ch is in a stress Complaining about PMS and, When her womb has started sluffin, You won't be eatin any muffin, Two, four, six, eight, Come on girls, lets menstruate. Heavy flow or gentle spotting, Running down her legs or clotting All that lining that she sheds leaves Nasty patches on your bedsheets. Just don't waste your efforts pleading You won't be shagging when she's bleeding The Methenamic acid means you might as well be flaccid When she's using a menstrual rag. It's hard to be all that devoted When she is looking fat and bloated From all the water she's retaining, While her pants have nasty staining. You won't be doing any groping When she's losing haemoglobin, Two, four, six, eight, Come on girls, lets menstruate. Get those Bodyforms with wings, and grab your Tampax by the strings, and TENA lady's sanitary pads, come on boys you've seen the ads. This dance is sweeping through the nation, Here's three cheers for menstruation, Its the latest craze Every 28 days They're all using a menstrual, Using a menstrual rag

This is a national service announcement for all men
If you go to Bolton
If you go to Manchester
Or crewe
Newcastle, or Scarborough
York, or Scunthorp, Bradford, Barnsley too
Or Grimsby
Listen up to what we have to say

Northern birds are lazy ugly whores who smell of burgers
So don't have too much to drink
Or you might fuck one
And end up getting aids

There's nothing fun
To be found off the M1
Northern birds are lower class
Slags who take it up the arse

They're in the sack
After one cider and black
But they're fucking awful rides
and your dick won't touch the sides
Da-da-da-da-da-da
Da-da-da-da

Northern Birds

Da-da-da-da-da

If you really have to
Go up north then follow our advice
Fight away the women
Or you'll find yourself with Pubic lice
And herpes
Your much better staying in the South
Northern Birds
Are desperate ugly hippos dressed in Burberry
With a peanut for a brain
And an accent that makes you want to die

Now you've been warned
They're all physically deformed
Northern birds
Are all obese
And they're riddled with disease

Try to escape
Northern sex is worse than rape
Stay down south and mark my words
Stear well clear of northern birds

Northern birds

Northern birds

Er, fucking hell. Thank Goddess he's not a doctor any more.

And Posie's been hauled into the police for interview for hours for saying a man can't become a woman?

If misogyny was 'hate speech', he should be called in by the Police. But of course, he's male, and misogyny is apparently the 'hate speech' that's ok. Completely repugnant. Any future surrogates should be forced to read that before they decide to agree to carry a child for him. I'm sure there's an endless supply of commissioning parents and perhaps they could choose those who don't hate women so much.

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Woman2023 · 18/06/2023 21:22

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 18/06/2023 12:35

I read This is Going to Hurt and found it a bit 'off'. I felt there was a lack of respect for the birthing women who were his patients. The surrogate thing stacks up

Exactly this. I was still surprised to read about him using surrogates in the US considering why he left the NHS.

NutellaEllaElla · 18/06/2023 21:16

I used to like some of the Amateur Transplants stuff but when Suman left, it was apparent to me that Adam was shit. His lyrics were creepy and nasty. Suman was necessary for taking the unpleasantness out and making it funnier. Half of This is gonna hurt is very old medic dad jokes.

tmchsnvrngh · 18/06/2023 21:15

Sorry, that sounded aggressive reading it back! Do you know when he wrote the songs?

tmchsnvrngh · 18/06/2023 21:11

I know someone will say it's just satire get over it but men have hidden behind that excuse so many fucking times. Lol hadn't even finished typing! As if attitudes like that aren't normal and celebrated now?