Smegg Wallace

OP, my DD is not just “not right wing” - she is the Women’s Officer for the Edinburgh branch of the Communist Party!
DD is so completely terf that she writes and performs a long running parody of Dylan Mulvaney on YouTube, including a musical which also mocks Dr Gallagher, the US surgeon who performs mastectomies on teenagers. Have a look at “Day 69 of boyhood”.

@WandaWomblesaurus
"David Lammy thinks women can grow cervixes."

David Lammy thought that Henry the 7th came after Henry the 8th, and that Marie Antoinette won the Nobel prize for Physics.

@BaronMunchausen
"The Guardian and the Independent/i have been particularly shameful. Women's rights should be their territory!"

I'm sorry but this is a little sickening. Women's rights should not be one political wing's territory - it is fundamental across the spectrum to all ethical people. The implication above being that the Right lack ethics. I wonder that some posters don't realise that this forum isn't a Left Wing forum and that these hold your nose attitudes are being done right in front of the people you're talking about. Reminds me of a time someone was talking in a group about "the gays" completely oblivious to the gay people around them.

But aside from the continuous disparagement at some of us, the thing that most bothers me about the above statement is because I think it's made from the mindset of wanting "our" faction to be the ones who are champions on fighting this. Because it's identified as a good cause and if someone else succeeds at it they will get the credit. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE CREDIT.

And if you're about to say that's not where you're coming from, fine - I'll accept it if you say it's not but I invite you to reflect a few moments and ask yourself if there isn't that underlying it. I move in various degrees of Right Wing circles and a lot of places where there's a lot of Left Wing representation too. And barring degree of "told you so", mostly what I pick up the Right is an attitude of "finally these groups are realising the situation and acting - together we'll actually be able to stop this abuse." Whereas from the Left what I see a lot of is: "oh, those awful right wing people mustn't be allowed to be the ones who win this". I'm sorry but I do.

I feel for the OP who now feels politically homeless and the horror of clicking on Daily Mail links, it's challenging to question ones attitudes. I especially feel for her at feeling like she'll lose her friends over this because my Left Wing friends took a very exclusionary attitude to people who wouldn't share their beliefs and I lost good friends through not agreeing with them and that hurt immeasurably and brought on significant depression. I wish I could help OP but know there's probably little I can do - it's very difficult to forge one's own path of beliefs rather than go along with a group.

But it would be nice if some here could stop talking about us (right wing people) as if we're the wrong people to fight for women's and children's rights. Nobody is the wrong person to fight for these things. The rights of the individual are the foundation of women's rights, children's rights, human rights.

Andy is the sexy one, not Dan.

I really hope that they don't go all out transtastic. It seems to be fairly low level at the moment.

@FinallyPeakedNow just to say you are SO NOT alone.

I've nothing to add though, apart from solidarity.

Left and Right is no longer the most important political axis, I suggest. People are re-aligning around values; either around a belief in pragmatic, grounded reality and what constitutes a stable society, and those that seek to endlessly disrupt, who are pursuing some version of utopian transhumanism. A world without boundaries.

When openness and non judgmentalism become over-riding virtues than the shadow side is never far from the surface. People then spend their time policing the boundaries of what is considered acceptable speech or thought - and being highly, indiscriminately judgemntal of others - especially of those they perceive as belonging to another tribe.

I suppose I am talking about it being a shame that I am now aligning with right wingers in general, those people whose knee jerk reaction is to reject difference and be afraid of diversity

You don't sound very embracing of diversity yourself. It's that old thing that we see so often, isn't it - 'we celebrate diversity as long as you agree with us, and if you don't you're a trasnphobe and a bigot.' Thereby demonstrating exactly that fear of difference of opinion that you attribute to the 'right wing.'

I feel alone, and scared to speak out. There must be loads of people like me.

I have male friends, on what the Mail would describe as the far-left, who privately tell me gender ideology a load of bollox, but in the next sentence trot out the latest off-the-shelf soundbites from the peer group about section 28 etc.

Groupthink is often accompanied by cognitive dissonance. For some it's what makes them so uniquely angry about this issue.

unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had-to-leave-the-guardian/

This might explain what the attitude and atmosphere is at the Guardian.
Having to catch up on the history of all this is an eye opener.

The good news is that most people when asked a few key questions over a few conversations start to wake up too. You'll start to see this over time as you become more aware of it all.

I really liked Maintenance Phase/You’re Wrong About but gave them up a couple of years ago because I could see where they were going. It’s infuriating when you get people who pride themselves on thinking outside the box, re-evaluating source material and coming at stuff from a different angle who then just repeat the JKR rubbish wholesale with no scrutiny at all. The first time I hear someone announce pronouns on a podcast that’s it ruined for me really. You can completely see how people (of both sides) end up in an echo chamber because my podcast list starts tilting more and more in one direction just because those aren’t the only captured ones. But they themselves can be lacking diversity of opinion of course.

It's like a mad dream isn't it and then you look at how brainwashed people around you are and they cheer on the amputations and self harm of Autistic children and yet cannot see their smiles and rainbows are hiding abuse.

Once you wake up it's brutal. And shocking. These kids are being actively harmed. And it's not about tolerance or belief or anything academic, it's about children amputating body parts. And it's in schools, actively being pushed by some Transactivists teachers.

These kids are going to need a lifetime of support and therapy and medical interventions once the dream is over and they realise they can't change sex.

The left are actively pushing this and punishing anyone who disagrees and shouting that anyone who doesn't is rabid right wing.

Keir Starmer cannot define a woman.
David Lammy thinks women can grow cervixes.
Lisa Nandy thinks male rapists should be put in women's prisons.
Dawn Butler says a child is born without a sex.
Have a look here at the statements made twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313?s=20

It's awful and gets worse and worse the more you think about it.
It's a shock to the system to realise that we've outsourced our thinking to people who can't tell the difference between men and women, the most basic fundamental reality that created all humanity.

The boundaries between public and private, male and female, adult and child are eroded.

Don't like what idea? The queer theory idea?

This is a grassroots movement of women ( and men) which is motivated by a desire to protect and preserve the dignity and integrity of women and girls; who recognise that biology matters in certain situations, and it matters very much to women.

The 'queer theory idea' is that we are whoever we say we are and that by adopting and performing identities we actively disrupt society. That there is no truth or reality beyond what we personally feel or believe. Stable categories are violated and transgressed. There are no boundaries.

The Guardian's account of the WiSpa incident - where they accused a women of lying when she reported an incident of indecent exposure (and of course of being 'aligned with the religious right wing') - was particularly shameful.

That was the point at which I stopped reading the Guardian.

It's bewildering that your friends can be offended by you doing an impression of Dylan Mulvaney and not by him doing a blatantly offensive impression of women. I guess it speaks of how misogyny is so deeply ingrained that we take it for granted and don't see it.

Yes I also would never have the Daily Mail in the house - that they and the Times and the Telegraph are the only mainstream media giving space to criticism of The Ideology - and that so many left-wing feminists have had to take refuge there - is a huge indictment of the liberal-left media. The Guardian and the Independent/i have been particularly shameful. Women's rights should be their territory!

Moat people are concerned about the erasure and safety of women rather than having radical or right wing views.

The Guardian is no friend to women or children. May I introduce you to this fawning article about "Hannah"

amp.theguardian.com/games/2021/apr/24/in-the-game-i-knew-myself-as-hannah-the-trans-gamers-finding-freedom-on-roblox

Great explanation!

You will discover a lot of what you thought was great about left wing politics will come crashing down once you see the misogyny of many of the men on the left.
It's no different to the men on the right except they throw insults at the other side to hide their own hatred of women.
Cross party is the only way we will defeat this.

I'm a little suspicious of you referring to people as 'anti trans'. It doesn't seem to fit with your protestations around having " peaked"?

Can you explain further?

Even if that were true, I suggest that much of what people consider 'right wing' is actually just plain old conservatism - with all that implies about keeping what works and maintains social stability, and not just throwing everything out for the sake of revolution or to be 'disruptive'

There can be no real difference or true diversity unless there are boundaries and integrity. Genuine tolerance requires boundaries in order to have any meaning. There is not much 'diversity' when no-one is permitted to hold a different view or can be cancelled for speaking biological truth; or in recognising differnces and being able to differeentiate.

In fact there is a whole lot of group-think and lack of integrity involved in much that passes for 'left wing' these days. It is all about group identity and the politics of that.