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Do any of you feel safer as an older woman than when you were young?

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Appalonia · 16/06/2023 23:04

I'd always dreaded getting older when I was young, but now I am (58), it's so much better than I thought it would be. I really don't miss the random, vulgar comments from men, e.g. "Look at the t*ts on that" etc. I also feel a lot safer just walking around, and I like feeling confident and feeling that I'm more likely to be taken seriously ( despite the 'Karen' bullshit that is thrown at us)

Just wondered if this resonated with anyone else, or any experience s pp we like to share about this?

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MsRosley · 17/06/2023 14:00

I've never really felt unsafe - I'm small but fierce - but god, the relief of now being invisible. I'm so glad to be out of that game. It feels like having the freedom of pre-pubescence back, where you never had to worry what you looked like every time you stepped out the door.

SockGoddess · 17/06/2023 13:28

See I don’t like the ‘mum my had just died’ response. It is still basically saying ‘I should smile for you but please let me off the hook’ - they still won’t feel guilty or reflect on their misogyny.

But on the plus side it might help it to sink in that someone might have a reason to look unhappy.

Screamingabdabz · 17/06/2023 11:42

doubleoseven · 17/06/2023 11:29

No, I can't say I feel any more safer than when I was younger. However, I do feel more confident and assertive. I'm more likely to tell them to fuck off if they say "smile, it might never happen".

Same. Last time a man said that to me, about 10 years ago now I told him my mum had just died. She's alive and well but hopefully made him think twice about saying it again.

I think you just get more savvy when you're older so less likely to be in a situation where you feel unsafe in the first place. But also far less visible so less likely to be harrassed.

See I don’t like the ‘mum my had just died’ response. It is still basically saying ‘I should smile for you but please let me off the hook’ - they still won’t feel guilty or reflect on their misogyny.

ApocalypseNowt · 17/06/2023 11:40

I do feel safer but if I ever had to run away from danger I'll be a lot slower

Screamingabdabz · 17/06/2023 11:37

I’m less intimidated by men. They’re all just puffed up little boys to me so I am totally at ease with speaking very plainly to them and putting them in their place if I have to. I am still aware of their significant physical advantage though, so I still wouldn’t risk being vulnerable in places where I could be mugged or worse.

doubleoseven · 17/06/2023 11:29

No, I can't say I feel any more safer than when I was younger. However, I do feel more confident and assertive. I'm more likely to tell them to fuck off if they say "smile, it might never happen".

Same. Last time a man said that to me, about 10 years ago now I told him my mum had just died. She's alive and well but hopefully made him think twice about saying it again.

I think you just get more savvy when you're older so less likely to be in a situation where you feel unsafe in the first place. But also far less visible so less likely to be harrassed.

Theraffarian · 17/06/2023 11:21

Honestly I felt invincible when I was younger , did things I would never consider doing nowadays , so it’s a hard call . Nowadays I think I feel more aware of dangers so wouldn’t put myself in a situation I was likely to feel unsafe in .

porridgeisbae · 17/06/2023 11:19

IDK if I feel safer, maybe because you get used to living in fear of men etc.

But I should feel safer (while not stopping being reasonably cautious of course) because objectively I get hardly any hassle now.

SockGoddess · 17/06/2023 11:06

I think I am safer now in my 50s from dodgy men, and I do like the feeling of being treated with respect by some men and ignored by others. But like a PP I took a lot of risks when young and felt safe-ish even though I probably wasn’t, and thought I could tell who to avoid. I didn’t have the comments and leering as bad as some other women. I’m tall and strong with short hair and wasn’t seen as a target for that very often, either because deemed unattractive or because they didn’t want to mess with me. It worked out well for me as I did have men interested but generally the less shallow men.

(however I still know all women are at risk of rape or other attacks - it happened to an 85-year-old woman in our very “safe” area Sad)

But I’m single now and what I really love is knowing I don’t have to think about it at all. I dress for me and I can have a day with a dress and make up or a day looking like a builder’s mate and I don’t care if anyone else likes it or not.

GriseldaClement · 17/06/2023 11:04

I just find this subject unbearably sad as I had already been sexually assaulted by the time I was 11 so I have always been hyper aware since then. I was so innocent but developed a take no crap attitude towards attention to the point that I actually confronted one of the men that followed me when I was in my twenties. I don’t get that sort of attention now but the echos of the vulnerability remain which makes me sad and furious all at the same time!

Backstreets · 17/06/2023 10:58

I’ve never felt unsafe. Combination of street smarts and utter obliviousness I suppose.

SunnyDaysAndEndlessNights · 17/06/2023 10:56

When l was younger l felt invincible. Now l am older and wiser. I am sensible but don't have an excessive fear. I'm 54 , in good shape still and quite enjoy some of the flirtatious banter, its always done in a respectful way. ( l work in a busy store). I have experienced some negative behaviour from males over the years but I've never allowed it to make me bitter, resentful or hatred of the whole male population as a whole, because that would only affect me and not them. I am enjoying this stage of life as l just feel more comfortable all round.

Salvadoral · 17/06/2023 10:43

I started feeling much less carefree after I had DC (early 30s) as it felt like in addition to having to try and stay safe myself as an individual, l now had to keep their mother safe, if that makes sense. However, now in my early 40s I am happily invisible to men as I walk down the street and I love that feeling. As a PP has said, I also feel much more able to step in and help/defend younger women/girls from creepy men, which I’ve had to do a couple of times. Maternal instinct has definitely helped with that.

Superdupes · 17/06/2023 10:20

I feel much less safe because I have much greater awareness. As a teen in the summer I'd walk home across cities at 2 in the morning to save money after going clubbing without a second thought. I loved the quiet and the cool air. I miss that reckless/fearlessness I had when I was young even if it was just naivety.

LaLoba · 17/06/2023 09:11

Snailsaresweet · 17/06/2023 08:36

Yup, I feel much less visible, and therefore much safer. I do quite a lot of travel around Europe by myself, and there was a point when the male gaze just passed over me and I realised how brilliant that was! Older women are virtually invisible in many ways, and this is one of the more useful ones!

This is how I feel. From a very young age I was harassed and assaulted more times than I could remember. Now I can exist without feeling the eyes on me wherever I went. It’s really nice to be able to chat with people I encounter without the wariness that I had to have as a young woman and girl. Ageing out of the range of desirable to creeps is a blessing.

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/06/2023 08:49

Hmm, not exactly safer - I'm conscious that I'm absolutely worth mugging for my credit card. (Presumably I could also be forced to divulge the number?...)

But, as others have said, it's almost a relief to be freed from the constant sexual harassment, comments about breasts etc.

I walked across London a week ago, and zero men tried to hit on me. It's almost like a switch has been flicked to the Off position, from available to invisible. What a relief.

Smartiepants79 · 17/06/2023 08:41

Whatwouldscullydo · 16/06/2023 23:51

I was oblivious as a teen /younger woman. So I probably felt safer then tbh than I do now at 42

I would agree with this.
When I think back to some of the the choices I made as a 22 year old I’m a bit horrified- walking home across central liverpool at 2am, drunkish and alone without a care in the world!
I have to say I’ve been lucky overall that I’ve very rarely felt unsafe whilst out and about at any age. But I’m definitely more aware than I was as a younger person.

continentallentil · 17/06/2023 08:36

I’ve never worried about it at any age

Snailsaresweet · 17/06/2023 08:36

Yup, I feel much less visible, and therefore much safer. I do quite a lot of travel around Europe by myself, and there was a point when the male gaze just passed over me and I realised how brilliant that was! Older women are virtually invisible in many ways, and this is one of the more useful ones!

AgnesX · 17/06/2023 08:33

No. When I think of things I did (from niave-ity) and being much fitter I cringe a bit. I do think that bad social behaviour was tolerated less so physically rarely felt unsafe.

Redshoeblueshoe · 17/06/2023 08:25

Well Eva Longoria - who is 48 wasn't exactly safe last night, when Biden tried to grope her breasts - in front of camera's. I'm not as polite as her - I would have slapped him across the face

Maddy70 · 17/06/2023 08:19

Yes. I'm in my 50s. When I was younger I was told to be fearful , don't walk home by myself , etc etc. Now I have a sense of proportion, walk home by myself late at night and I feel free

RingLightLight · 17/06/2023 07:57

LoobiJee · 17/06/2023 07:52

I don’t see 70 as elderly though (before anyone jumps on me). I was thinking more 80+.

It is v funny to think that when I was a kid 65 was classed as elderly!

LoobiJee · 17/06/2023 07:52

I don’t see 70 as elderly though (before anyone jumps on me). I was thinking more 80+.

LoobiJee · 17/06/2023 07:49

blueshoes · 16/06/2023 23:20

Yes, it is great to not be the subject of unwanted male attention at this age. I suspect that if and when I get to 70 (fingers crossd and god willing), I will get fearful because I am more frail and cannot run away or fight back.

The risks increase again in those elderly years I think. The really cowardly types will target elderly women living alone.

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