Girl Sues Hospital for Removing Her Breasts at Age 13

I'd have to disagree with your 2nd paragraph. I cant see any advantages to having young boys castrated.

I think a decade or two or three down the road we will look back at this experimental treatment on children and see cutting healthy body parts off children as barbaric as some of the studies and treatments of past generations.

There is a different argument to be had for those parents who trans their children at a very young age

I’m not sure I understand your argument. Even if they had tried 11 different doctors who refused, it would be the 12th, who did approve that would be sued.

there will be two types of parent - those who actively push for trans treatment, and those who are distressed but relying on the expertise of the medial profession. In either case, it’s not the parent who wield the knife for the surgery.

I prefer 'irreversible sex mimicry treatment' to gac (although, as an acronym, 'gac' is quite good too). If MN will let me I might start using it.

When I was younger you'd learn about people who had lobotomies performed on them, people who were sterilised against their will and I could never understand the mindset of the people of that time. How was it made possible for those atrocities to occur?
I always thought- nothing like that would happen these days.

Well its happening and it just seems like the world has gone bonkers and upside down. How is this even legal?

Archive link for article in my previous post.
https://archive.is/OsvZ6

There was also a surgeon in Scotland who amputated healthy limbs of patients who requested it.

There's an interesting article about him here.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/12/a-new-way-to-be-mad/304671/

Behind a paywall, but available in the archives. I'll post an archive link in a separate post as MNHQ will need to 'have a look at it' and it might take a while to appear.

I agree with this. I don't think any doctor should be removing healthy body parts, be it breasts, genitals, arms, legs, fingers, whatever.

I remember there was a case of a tattooist/piercer who was successfully prosecuted for removing a man's ear, even though the man was a fully consenting adult. Why is this any different?

Surely your body has not finished developing at 13? My breasts grew more age 14-15ish. My DD is a similar age and relatively small busted but genetics would suggest they are not settled in size yet!

I find it so hard to read posts etc about US states banning gender affirming surgery before age 18 as "an act of violence against trans people". Surely it's not anti trans to say "your brain and body are not ready for the impact of this yet"?

So are you anti-regulating of any and all body modifications? Stomach stapling on anorexics? Removing healthy limbs from people who identify as disabled or other body parts from people with extreme health anxieties? What about other regulations? Shall we remove age restrictions on alcohol and cigarettes because children still manage to get hold of some?

Yes they should all - remove the profit motivation and we will be in a very different - healthier - landscape.

This.

Confusion doesn't mean you want to change sex. Could just be going through a normal confused period during intense hormones. Could be gay/bi. Who knows but drugs and surgery are not the answer.

It's physical, emotional abuse. The parents and the doctors that 'affirmed' her and popped her on the route should be sued and maybe imprisoned. She has to bear the cost of the 'experiment' with her body/life.

Some just look the other way. People that express concerns are call transphobic or bigots. The madness needs pushing back against.

Yet here it is in a corner of MN where many people will not read it or refuse to read because here in the naughty corner are those of us who will not affirm/will not listen to the ideology or latest trend.

Why is this hidden?

We do know that. We know there are people who identify as the opposite gender to what they believe they are - whatever that means to them. That's not really the point here. This was a vulnerable, anxious, unwell child who was exploited for profit and to support the anti-women stance of some powerful men.

What a ridiculous reason. The doctors shouldn’t be blamed?! “It’s best that I remove your healthy breasts for no good reason and no evidence because if I don’t, someone else will.” 🙄

Yes they should have refused. And so should have the next one. And the next one. The fact that somewhere down the chain there might eventually be a cowboy willing to do it doesn’t justify the first group acting like John Wayne.

This 100%.

In fact I would go further and say there are no acceptable circumstances where it's is considered appropriate to remove heathy body parts from anyone, irrespective of age. IMO anyone who wants to remove healthy bits of their body with no physical health benefit has a very serious mental health issue.

Actually I'm not entirely sure she should get a big payout. Should they all? All the people who will then claim payouts in the future? She was very determined. Her parents allowed this. We all know it's wrong. But why blame the doctors here - if they hadn't allowed her to or refused her surgery it's highly likely that she just would've gone on to the next person until she found someone who would, because people of that ilk will just keep going until they get what they want.

Even calling it gender affirming care is fucking awful

That’s great but this young person DOES have regrets and due to being operated on at 13, 13!!!!! now feel disfigured.
If they had been supported but encouraged to wait all this could probably have been avoided

an utterly dismal tale.

although i abhor the idea of it, i at least understand the the hypothetical arguments in favour of castrating boys who want to transition in relatively early puberty - doing so will to some extent stop them fully developing certain male characteristics in terms of facial bone structure, their voice breaking, and so on, stuff that's difficult to fix surgically 'further down the line'.

there's no such advantage, even hypothetical advantage, that i can think of for similarly early surgical intervention amongst girls who want to transition. cutting their breasts off won't impact any of their other secondary characteristics one iota.

‘Eight states already have gender-affirming-care bans in place for people under the age of 18’

Overview here

https://time.com/6265755/gender-affirm-care-bans-u-s/

Agree with posts re lawsuits in America. Only huge amounts of money are going to turn this tide.

I was a teacher 40 years . It seems just so obvious to me that teenagers are confused during the surge of hormones in the teen years . This is why they are so vulnerable to grooming and laws have to protect them .Any irreversible procedures should therefore surely only be undertaken in adulthood .

Agree the term is woeful and part of the problem

Surgical removal

I'm starting to hate the phrase "gender affirming care" as much as "top surgery".