Girl Sues Hospital for Removing Her Breasts at Age 13

Thank you for posting this . It is a very strange programme . Sad but also not quite what I expected , everyone seems so laid back about things as if it’s the most normal thing in the world . Being a girl just seems to mean make up and feminine clothes . Which boys can do anyway ? And it is not until later that the trans girl realises hormones make you feel strange and who is going to want to date basically a boy with breasts. But they are on the journey so how do you get off ?
ALso the surgeries , the medical people talk about them as if it’s the most natural thing. Have whatever ( you can pay for) and it will be fully functional ?

smoke and mirrors that’s what it is .

follow the money .

And what other medical treatment is the responsibility of anyone else beyond drs and family ?

If something doesn't work without the coerced involvement from non consenting members of the public would that not indicate that perhaps theres an issue?

If trans people and activists truly believed it was the best care then they'd not shut down every study, investigation, meeting, discussion etc. Why be so afraid, I mean none of it would prove otherwise right ?

Because with the opposition, well it all looks more " misery loves company "

We want trans people to have the best healthcare possible just like everyone else

In order to have the absolute best healthcare possible, the fact that their natal sex is their sex is really important to aknowledge.

This lying is so damaging and misleading.

How are you measuring happy and over what time frame? Could their”happiness” have been achieved in a manner that didn’t cause life long medical issues (both physical and mental) not to mention cost both financial and societal

We need to define happy really.

Wouldn't we assume that someone allegedly happy being incontinent, not being able to raise their arms above their heads having crumbling spines at 15 and having to spend their whole life dilating an open wound so it didn't heal, would not really be of sound mind ?

So if there are 99 happy transitioners and 1 unhappy transitioner does this make surgical transition a good thing for children?

So do we all. But unfortunately the evidence is that in later life they will suffer devastating , painful and irreversible medical issues which are a direct result of the drugs they are taking everyday to maintain their appearance .

I have read articles which say that taking hormones to delay and reduce male puberty can cause huge problems later if the boy wants to have surgery to create a “vagina”because there simply isn’t enough penile tissue to use for the operation.

This is interesting about blaming the parents.

https://loreleihatpin.substack.com/p/transhausen-by-proxy-a-few-thoughts

Parents expect doctors to be the experts. If the doctors are saying that transing the child is the right thing to do, how likely is it that the parents will go against this? Ultimately it's the doctors who are to blame.

In some places there's also the threat of having their child taken into care if they don't comply. There are also schools pushing this ideology and keeping the child's trans identity secret from their parents.

It's easy to blame the parents, but in many, if not most cases, they are not where the blame should lie. And unless they're doctors issuing prescriptions for puberty blockers or hormones or surgeons carrying out these operations they are not the ones with the power to call a halt to this.

From the link:
Where Munchausen and Munchausen by proxy is a patient driven malady, that always relied on clinicians to unwittingly facilitate it, the transitioning of children is socially and medically driven. In this new phenomenon it is parents who are the ones being relied on to facilitate it, instead. I suggest, as lay people, they are frequently now the unwitting ones. It is all too easy for them to be ignorant of the harm involved, because of their lack of medical knowledge and their own submersion in these ideas.

This is spot on. American political allegiance which seems so important over there, is a prepackaged ideology, if your left wing all of your thought processes align with the left, right and it’s right wing.

Young people in the UK obsessed with SM assume this is a normal way of thinking. Pre packaged group think is becoming the norm esp amongst the young.

Do you think there is an element of organisations like Planned Parenthood being used as human shields?

No, I don't think it's a deliberate strategy, or at least not often, though the effects are as toxic as if it was.

It does mean that the groups who are most likely to go on the attack are the religious right who are also against reproductive rights. It weakens the attack from the liberal / progressive left but it also strengthens the religious right because there's nowhere else for doubters in the middle to go. It's deeply divisive.

It's a pity young people in the UK are so deeply steeped in US politics and ideologies via the Internet. And not just young people either. Nicola Sturgeon tried to muddle up trans rights and reporductive rights as well. Not in this country, silly woman.

Sorry, there should be a quote on that:

In the US it should be a completely different topic but women rely on organisations like Planned Parenthood for access to birth control. It's risky to attack those organsiations even when they bare doing something else that is dangerous like providing transition hormones to young people.

Do you think there is an element of organisations like Planned Parenthood being used as human shields?

"Let us do as we want or we'll women's contraceptive rights down with us"?

I doubt it's what MN wants to hear tho? A rational pro trans account based on real life experience

No one here is " anti trans" . We want trans people to have the best healthcare possible just like everyone else. We just don't believe that means causing disabilities in perfectly healthy bodies amd pretending we believe the impossible. Its not " pro trans " to allow this stuff to happen to adults or children.

You cannot change sex. Thats a given. Its not pro or anti anything. Feminists and the far right didnt decide this. Nature did.

We wouldn't indulge someone who believed they could fly, had x Ray vision or could run faster than a jaguar. So why would we indulge that if you remove this body part. Add this implant. You will be a woman/man.

I dont believe anyone believes this. I think everyone just believes they are a good person if they lie better than everyone else. But being a child person or "pro trans" doesn't mean saying whT you think people want to hear. Sometimes being the better person means being brutally honest and refusing to lie no matter how much that upsets someone. Because even of it takes 50 years, nature, reality, the truth will always come out. Whether we like it or not.

But the online world is mushed transatlantically....

There are a lot of differences between the U.K. and US, both around this, medical care and politics, and this is where a lot of the debate gets lost in translation.

Good point.

A friend's daughter had cleft lip and palate and has corrective surgery for the palate but they decided to wait for the lip surgery. My friend wanted as little intervention as possible for her.

I think this has been made with a lot of psych input; I know she has access to them when needed (and has needed them, though sadly partly due to a not very supportive father.) It's possible it's better when she's older, I can't remember. I know there were similarly wide ranging reasons for waiting.

Completely different topic. As is abortion and contraception.

In the UK, it is a completely different topic. In the US it should be a completely different topic but women rely on organisations like Planned Parenthood for access to birth control. It's risky to attack those organsiations even when they bare doing something else that is dangerous like providing transition hormones to young people.

UK feminists can attack inappropriate prescription of trans hormones to youngsters without threatening anyone's access to birth control. More difficult for US feminists.

P.S. my surgery was in the U.K. on the NHS.

I had major reconstructive surgery to my lower jaw when I was 22, not a cosmetic procedure, It was corrective surgery, I was 18 when I first started the process, a change of dentist told me I didn’t have to suffer any more, surgery would change my life but it wouldn’t be an easy ride and once done there was no going back. I was warned of possible side effects, nerve damage of my face was one, paralysis was another.
It did change my life and am forever grateful for the skill and dedication of the surgeons but am equally as grateful to the team of psychotherapists who went through it all with me and to both teams for giving me the time to process it all. During those four years I had various procedures which did aided the eventual final outcome. But I could stop at any time. And this wasn’t for a life altering process like gender reassignment. At eighteen I was deemed an adult, the decision was mine. I shudder to think how I’d feel at the ages between 11 to 18; a reconstructed jaw is a whole different ball game to gender reassignment.

This has reminded me of a video that DC sent me recently. He's horrified that children are allowed "gender confirming" drugs and surgery.

You could still bankrupt her.

Also are doctors not regulated in the US? Why are none of these doctors ending up in front of their regulator?