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Sharron Davies New Book Released Soon

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UtopiaPlanitia · 15/06/2023 22:53

I thought FWR might be interested in Davies’ book. Here’s an interesting interview she did in The Telegraph to discuss it:

“Sharron Davies: ‘I lost the vast majority of work the moment I put my head above the parapet’”

(£ version)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/15/sharron-davies-interview-trans-sports-athletes/

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I’ve pre-ordered a copy of the book - it’s the least I can do to support her after she’s joined the fight to protect women’s sport.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/06/2023 21:42

Sorry - shouldn't have derailed this thread - there's already one about Howard on here.
I've placed my advance order for Sharron's book and am looking forward to it

Farmageddon · 17/06/2023 21:09

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/06/2023 21:02

According to twitter (I know..) he was reacting to discovering that there were allegedly a number of paedophiles / predators in the San Francisco gay men's choir that was singing at Disneyland :

https://www.westernjournal.com/gay-mens-choir-said-coming-children-rushes-cover-pedophilia-accusations/

So hang on, the online story is about paedphiles infiltrating a choir aimed at children, and somehow the real crime is that talking about this or referencing it in any way is, ahem, 'derogatory to the LGBT++++ community'...

Unless there is some other big huge backstory here this is basically a hissy fit about nothing.

Farmageddon · 17/06/2023 21:03

TheBiologyStupid · 17/06/2023 19:34

Howard from Take That has just been dropped from a Pride event in Nottingham for “liking social media posts that are derogatory towards the LGBTQIA+ community” despite issuing a grovelling apology. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jun/17/take-thats-howard-donald-apologises-for-liking-posts-derogatory-to-lgbtqia-community

I've not seen what it was he agreed with - you'd think that would be worth mentioning in an actual, you know, news report...

Yes, interesting they don't even hint at what these terrifying tweets actually are - presumably something with scary biological facts in it...also the grovelling is a bit pathetic.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/06/2023 21:02

BluebellBlueballs · 17/06/2023 20:40

The regime relies on silence and its dissenters are punished brutally.

According to twitter (I know..) he was reacting to discovering that there were allegedly a number of paedophiles / predators in the San Francisco gay men's choir that was singing at Disneyland :

https://www.westernjournal.com/gay-mens-choir-said-coming-children-rushes-cover-pedophilia-accusations/

Gay Men's Choir That Said They're Coming for Your Kids Scrubs Member List After Pedophilia Accusations

The San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus is facing accusations that some of its members are convicted sex predators.

https://www.westernjournal.com/gay-mens-choir-said-coming-children-rushes-cover-pedophilia-accusations

RudsyFarmer · 17/06/2023 20:52

I read all of that article and agreed with every single word. Thank you Sharron 💐

BluebellBlueballs · 17/06/2023 20:40

TheBiologyStupid · 17/06/2023 19:34

Howard from Take That has just been dropped from a Pride event in Nottingham for “liking social media posts that are derogatory towards the LGBTQIA+ community” despite issuing a grovelling apology. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jun/17/take-thats-howard-donald-apologises-for-liking-posts-derogatory-to-lgbtqia-community

I've not seen what it was he agreed with - you'd think that would be worth mentioning in an actual, you know, news report...

The regime relies on silence and its dissenters are punished brutally.

TheBiologyStupid · 17/06/2023 19:34

Abhannmor · 17/06/2023 17:20

Agreed.

Odd exception : Glinner. He gets dog's abuse and can't work. Perhaps he's the token male target?

Howard from Take That has just been dropped from a Pride event in Nottingham for “liking social media posts that are derogatory towards the LGBTQIA+ community” despite issuing a grovelling apology. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jun/17/take-thats-howard-donald-apologises-for-liking-posts-derogatory-to-lgbtqia-community

I've not seen what it was he agreed with - you'd think that would be worth mentioning in an actual, you know, news report...

Take That’s Howard Donald dropped from Pride event for liking anti-LGBTQ+ tweets

Singer admits he made ‘huge error in judgment’ and has been dropped from Nottingham Pride lineup in July

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jun/17/take-thats-howard-donald-apologises-for-liking-posts-derogatory-to-lgbtqia-community

dcbc1234 · 17/06/2023 19:04

I always buy and eventually read these important books. It is the least I can do to thank her for speaking out.

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/06/2023 18:25

Abhannmor · 17/06/2023 18:20

Ha yeah @DarkDayforMN you wouldn't know what Musks response would be. Probably lives in a hollowed out volcano ....

Abhannmor, tá brón orm, couldn’t help meself…

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Abhannmor · 17/06/2023 18:20

Ha yeah @DarkDayforMN you wouldn't know what Musks response would be. Probably lives in a hollowed out volcano ....

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/06/2023 18:15

Farmageddon · 17/06/2023 16:40

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bdc8e2c0-0b7b-11ee-947c-69265173b330?shareToken=3f4cd494adf7bb2fd4684d56e090f87a

Another good review from the Times - I hope the share token works - along with lots of positive comments.

Thanks so much for the share token, that was a brilliant review of the book and a very succinct summary of Sharron’s excellent qualifications for fighting to protect women’s sport. I think her stage name in Gladiators was very apt, she is an Amazon 😊

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DarkDayforMN · 17/06/2023 18:09

Odd exception : Glinner. He gets dog's abuse and can't work. Perhaps he's the token male target?

Glinner stuck his head above the parapet early. I think it's kind of like a lightning rod effect because for a long time he was the highest profile person speaking out, so he became a scapegoat for a lot of their hatred and paranoia.

I think Matt Walsh has also had a lot of abuse and death threats from them - he helped raise the profile of this issue in the US so he's had to endure some of the lightning rod effect too.

I would be interested to know if Elon Musk gets it too - that would support the lightning rod theory. But maybe they're afraid to send death threats to an erratic tech billionaire with Bond villain energy.

Farmageddon · 17/06/2023 17:51

Abhannmor · 17/06/2023 17:20

Agreed.

Odd exception : Glinner. He gets dog's abuse and can't work. Perhaps he's the token male target?

Actually yeah you're right, he's been hounded about this, maybe because he doesn't pull any punches in what he says. It's very sad because he's a hugely talented writer.
I do wonder how people will look back on this time, will people like JKR, Glinner etc. be acknowledged properly for the good they have done? I suppose it's not much comfort right now given the shit they have to deal with regularly...
Meanwhile the people who supported this shit, or looked away will just slink off into the shadows and pretend it's nothing to do with them.

AHugeTinyMistake · 17/06/2023 17:39

I also love Sharron. She was a fantastic swimmer and speaks from a position of real knowledge and conviction.

Can't wait to read her book, have pre ordered.

Abhannmor · 17/06/2023 17:20

Farmageddon · 17/06/2023 16:42

Yes exactly, just compare the amount of shit thrown at Rosie Duffield for whatever she says, or even her 'likes' on Twitter, and the fact that most people had no idea Huw Merriman supported Sharon in this way, because it didn't cause a mega over-reaction so went completely under the radar.

Men get a free pass, women get thrown to the wolves.

Agreed.

Odd exception : Glinner. He gets dog's abuse and can't work. Perhaps he's the token male target?

Farmageddon · 17/06/2023 16:42

TonTonMacoute · 16/06/2023 15:44

She came over very well in that article, it’s good to keep reminding people that ‘gender critical’ men are not subject to anywhere near the level of abuse and intimidation that women are.

Yes exactly, just compare the amount of shit thrown at Rosie Duffield for whatever she says, or even her 'likes' on Twitter, and the fact that most people had no idea Huw Merriman supported Sharon in this way, because it didn't cause a mega over-reaction so went completely under the radar.

Men get a free pass, women get thrown to the wolves.

Farmageddon · 17/06/2023 16:40

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bdc8e2c0-0b7b-11ee-947c-69265173b330?shareToken=3f4cd494adf7bb2fd4684d56e090f87a

Another good review from the Times - I hope the share token works - along with lots of positive comments.

viques · 17/06/2023 16:33

Terrific article. I was very moved by her account of Petra Schneider, and the compassion she felt for her, as she rightly says, those German swimmers were victims of a corrupt system and are sadly paying the price with their own poor health. Compare them with the trans women athletes who know exactly what they are doing by muscling in ( pun intended) on womens sports to cash in on the lucrative sponsorship and appearance deals that are not available to them as mediocre athletes competing in mens events . And since many of them are probably not even bothering to take hormone treatment, and certainly aren’t proposing surgery, the detriment to their physical well being is nothing compared to the devastation the German women face.

I too would like to see more high profile male athletes stepping up to the plate to support Sharron and other women. Unlike female athletes they won’t lose funding or sponsorship , and what is more have nothing to fear from trans athletes in terms of missing out on medals and records so can’t be accused of having an axe to grind competitively . Where are you male athletes, stop lurking in the locker room and come onto the pitch/poolside/track/arena to support your fellow athletes.

BluebellBlueballs · 17/06/2023 16:20

Probably coincidence, but I particularly like the ad for rose wine in the article which shows men, real men, along with women wearing all pink clothing ( yup it's cos rose is pink) without any rainbow diversity shite involved. Yes, pink can be a manly colour too! ( sorry, misses point of thread)

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/06/2023 16:10

TonTonMacoute · 16/06/2023 15:44

She came over very well in that article, it’s good to keep reminding people that ‘gender critical’ men are not subject to anywhere near the level of abuse and intimidation that women are.

That fact blows my mind, frequently! Women are punished so much more (and much more thoroughly/viciously) for dissenting from the accepted narrative.

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TonTonMacoute · 16/06/2023 15:44

She came over very well in that article, it’s good to keep reminding people that ‘gender critical’ men are not subject to anywhere near the level of abuse and intimidation that women are.

DialSquare · 16/06/2023 15:40

I've preordered too in support.

UtopiaPlanitia · 16/06/2023 15:35

RubyTrees I was really surprised (and very pleased) to learn that Merriman remonstrated on Sharron’s behalf and then withdrew from the event in solidarity with her - our current society has conditioned me not to expect much in the way of principled behaviour in public life.

zanahoria thanks for the link to the podcast - I shall add that to my current listening queue.

The article was a strange mix of puff piece and thoughtful interview but I think Sharron’s intelligence, determination and drive came across really well. I very much hope she is given pundit work by BBC or ITV during the next Olympics. It would be very unfair that, for example, Gary Lineker could publicly air his views on politics (and still work with BBC Sport) but Sharron Davies not be allowed the same leeway.

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TheBiologyStupid · 16/06/2023 12:22

As a result, East Germany became dominant in the pool, overtaking the United States as the strongest female Olympic nation. Its swimmers won 98 of 102 gold medals awarded to women at European Championships between 1974 and 1989.

I remember the scandal, but I didn't realise how all-encompassing it was.

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