Can we have a Daily Mail apprection thread after this article?!

I have a gyroscope.

Aye, Northerners were voting against Labour, not necessarily voting for the conservatives (if you get what I mean). They feel that labour are totally out of touch and have forgotten about them. This is what happens when you have a disenfranchised population and continuing to insult them will just entrench them even more.

The more I have read of this thread, the more insight I have of what others really think of us behind the 'red wall'

I have a gyroscope.

Perhaps this is naïve of me, but I feel like there's kind of a big difference between sexualisation and fetishization?

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to be, feel or dress sexy (for either sex).

Yes, in an ideal world minors or those barely legal shouldn't be sexualised at all or to the extent they are, but at the same time I can't help but think "Get a grip" to be honest, we've all been teens trying to impress someone we fancy.
I'm sure we've all worn things that have made us feel sexy to give us that confidence boost.
Can we stop pretending that part of adolescence doesn't exist? That's why we needed sex ed to begin with so then at least they'd be using protection and avoiding STD's.

Fetishization is way more overt and to be honest I'm having a hard time thinking of any fetish that doesn't involve another person in one way or another, and that person is not always a consenting party - As a few examples; voyeurism, flashing, exhibitionism.

Hear, hear

Loving 'strawnans'...😂

And also this belter: 'It’s unclear who “Cubana Angel” is. * *Her social media page frequently features Bible quotes'

ERmahGAWD not Bible quotes. How de trop.

I particularly like 'experts said'.

It is like the Guardian tried full bingo card of all SJW glossary to make an article while looking like a fact-checker. Creating associations with the bad guys - classic culture war tactic. So original.

The Guardian article is word salad and obfuscating facts. The irony of the comment on spreading viral misinformation.

I really tried to be a good left leaning Guardian reading person but they have driven me away by their misogyny. How the Guardian handled the Cologne attacks opened my eyes to their actual view of women .

It does!! ❤️
Oh to be on the Charm side.

Apart from that. Right side of History. Do you know what the British and the French did in their colonies after ww2? Not very savoury or in keeping with human rights, that’s for starters. (I’m not going to bang on about it, because your average Brit/French most likely just didn’t know/had enough getting through their own day.)
Do you know what ‘left’ regimes got up to of fun and games?

Also this ‘right wing’ or ‘conservative’ as if they are raging lunatics for holding such a political viewpoint. @HareRaising yes, it is insulting large swathes of the voting population: we want your vote, even if you don’t know what’s good for you, you sad thicko. Probably got bad taste in music too!

Real plurality of voices, several rags for the masses, less cancellation of opinions and less sneering from those who consider themselves intellectually superior- I would hope that could lead to better conversations and healthy debate.

As for strawnans - I love this typo. Imagine telling someone they’re strawnanning 😃 feels cosy and inclusive.

Oh god @ArabeIIaScott this is precisely the shite that has ruined the Guardian. Even though other bits (war coverage) is very well done.

😍

Yes the deplorables.

Now terfs are allying with far right and creating DM appreciation thread..gotchaaaa.

(/Sarcasm)

Firstly the thread isn't "celebrating" it, so much as somewhat appreciating it with quite a bit of qualification.

Secondly, I don't really have any doubts about my position, when the trans-activist side is unable to deal with a simple question like, "What is a woman?".

When one side can't deal with a question like that, and want to shut down debate, it says something.

When are the good guys ever using censorship and threats because they can't handle open discussion? You think that could be, "the right side of history"!?

actually history has 10 sides, Axion, Isospin, Kaon, Up, Hadron, Top, Charm, Down, Bottom, and the side I'm aiming to get on, Strange

It's an analogy. Google it.

Missing your moral compass?

jeez louise

did you read the contrasting stories posted above by Arabella? no? You just want to talk about the EDL (who are completely unrelated to the mail). non sequitur much?

How do you get on a side of history? Back side, front side? It's so confusing.

The EDL also opposes TRAs, but no way am I going to appreciate Tommy Robinson/Stephen Yaxley-Lennon

Appalling from the Guardian.

The argument is that the Mail is skewed and other sources are more 'objective'?

Let's take one story - Wi Spa.

Exhibit A: Guardian:

'The unsubstantiated allegations about Wi Spa in LA’s Koreatown neighborhood quickly spread from social media to rightwing forums to far-right news sites to Fox News, and were distorted by anti-transgender groups across multiple countries.
...
The episode, experts said, offered a case study in how viral misinformation can result in violence, and provided clear evidence of the links between anti-trans and far-right movements, including QAnon conspiracy theorists, who believe that a cabal of elite pedophiles is manipulating the American government.'
...
It’s unclear who “Cubana Angel” is. * *Her social media page frequently features Bible quotes and, since the Wi Spa video, transphobic content.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/28/anti-trans-video-los-angeles-protest-wi-spa

Exhibit B:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9756165/Woman-says-person-beard-penis-got-hot-tub-daughter-6-LA-spa.html

'The violence had broken out on Saturday outside Wi Spa after viral video showed a customer complaining about a transgender woman who allegedly exposed their penis in front of minors in a women-only steam room.
Hordes of people showed up outside of Wi Spa to support the woman who had complained about the alleged exposure incident, when they were met by Antifa counter-protesters supporting transgender rights.
...
Protesters were seen assaulting an independent journalist who was hit in the head with what appears to be a pipe, video posted to Twitter shows.
It was not immediately clear if the protesters were in support of or against transgender rights.

The protests came after a video was posted to an Instagram account with the username Cubana Angel which shows the furious woman complaining to a spa staff member about the alleged exposure. '

Which one is more neutral in tone?

(Both papers reported the subsequent arrest of a serial sex offender, transwoman Darren Merager:)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/person-charged-with-indecent-exposure-at-la-spa-after-viral-instagram-video

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11586815/Registered-sex-offender-identifying-woman-arrested-exposing-erect-penis-young-girl.html