Can we have a Daily Mail apprection thread after this article?!

Ecuador came first for penis size.

DM, the paper for women. Nice little item comparing Breast size by country. Another doing the same with penises. Suppose that's for balance. And, dont get over excited, BloJo has been given a column. Daily Mail, the paper that knows what a woman is for and where her place is. Yay. Lucky us.

DM, the paper for women. Nice little item comparing Breast size by country. Another doing the same with penises. Suppose that's for balance. And, dont get over excited, BloJo has been given a column. Daily Mail, the paper that knows what a woman is for and where her place is. Yay. Lucky us.

DM, the paper for women. Nice little item comparing Breast size by country. Another doing the same with penises. Suppose that's for balance. And, dont get over excited, BloJo has been given a column. Daily Mail, the paper that knows what a woman is for and where her place is. Yay. Lucky us.

It's long had more female readers than male. It was even in Jim Hacker's "I know exactly who reads the papers" monologue:

Hacker: Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; The Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
Sir Humphrey: Oh and Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?
Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country as long as she's got big tits.

Well no one is making you read it!

DM, the paper for women. Nice little item comparing Breast size by country. Another doing the same with penises. Suppose that's for balance. And, dont get over excited, BloJo has been given a column. Daily Mail, the paper that knows what a woman is for and where her place is. Yay. Lucky us.

Please tell me you're on the wind up?! 😂
Daily Mail, the paper for women.
I've heard it all now.

How do you see that playing out?

I suspect that a lot of the stuff that is being pegged as anti-women is actually there to appeal mainly to women. Celebrity gossip, stuff about clothes, the royals, etc - those are things many women like to read about and engage with.

The exception might be some of the racier photos, but even then, I'm not sure it's always the case. Many women's pulp type fashion mags are full of skimpy clothed pictures of women. It's not like women are always nice, middle school nastiness, among other things, is also part of who we can be.

I could see them having more diversity in the views of their writers, that seems to fit them pretty well really, but not getting rid of things that appeal to a lot of women.

Superb post. I too am right wing and unapologetic about it.

@SerafinasGoose
"My post has never been a reduction of this thread to the never-ending WOHM vs. SAHM (what passes for) ‘debate’, nor have I ever made a judgement against other women on those threads. I find the whole discussion mind-numbingly tedious, a treadmill to nowhere."

I think you've over-extended yourself here. I got a very definite disapproving tone from some of your posts especially regarding women who regret some of their choices work wise and now prefer to spend time with their kids. Would that more had the luxury of the choice! You fairly clearly were casting their viewpoints as propaganda but if that's what they feel why shouldn't they say that to others as a heads-up. I know quite a few women who feel the social expectations on them when young led them down a path they at least partly regret. And I suspect you don't think feminism sets "social expectations" but I assure you for a lot of Middle Class women over the past few decades it absolutely has. I think now we are happily seeing a counter-movement which is bringing it back to a more neutral state of "women should have the same opportunities and be free to choose" rather than "women should be men but better". Sadly whilst the former is the type of feminism I grew up with, the latter is what most of the general public think of as "Feminism". Which is why most women don't identify as feminists.

And I think a significant part of that is the way the Progressive Left entwined itself with the feminist movement, to the point that we have people to this day who consider Feminism intrinsically a Left Wing position and get quite upset by right-wing feminists and think it's a contradiction in terms. Sadly for Feminism the Progressive Left has a new favourite cause to ride on which is the trans movement. They just weren't getting many gains anymore out of women as a minority cause.

I say "sadly for feminism" but honestly it's quite good. Disentangling women's rights from socialists and "gender is a product of colonialism nuclear family boo deconstruct society" types makes it a lot easier to support women's rights without finding yourself supporting a whole lot of other baggage you don't agree with. It even means you can read the Daily Mail and be a feminist, if that's how you choose to self-describe.

I want to add one more thing. You said that media manipulation is very subtle. In fact, most of the time, it is not. It's Dylan Murphey's face on a beer can, it's Pink News turning off the comments section everytime their article is about trans women, it's stories about how Gadaffi is issuing viagra to the Libyan army to better rape rebels, it's out and out lies about what someone said. It's been shown that the media is actually quite poor and changing what people think. What it's very good at is controlling what people think about. And for that, it's pretty vital that organs like the Daily Mail are not allowing this discussion to be so one-sided or memory holed entirely.

I'm not being over-dramatic when I say there are very powerful forces with very deep pockets pushing much of this agenda. Most propaganda isn't effective because it convinces people. It's effective because it intimidates people. When the symbols and the message is everywhere and powerful people keep trumpeting it, that's a challenge to people to dare to oppose it and be punished as an example, and if not feel quietly powerless. The former is of course just a means of achieving the latter. If there's a single point in my post that is most important it is this. Being unconvinced by propaganda doesn't mean it hasn't worked. It's purpose is to silence dissent.

I honestly haven't seen anything in the Daily Mail that tells me that its readership are terrible people and it's some kind of devil's bargain that will bring a lot of terrible things along with criticizing the current trans lobby. Your criticism seems to be largely along the lines of it being generally pro-nuclear family and having women writing in it who (rather fortunately) seem to be able to espouse raising kids.

Both fair points. It's interesting that feminists have been referred to by this lobby as 'fascists' (and worse). It's a two-edged sword, with the argument about 'radical' feminists supposedly being tainted by association with the likes of the US Christian alt-right. The idea of myself, for one, as a pro-lifer who seeks the denial of abortion and women's bodily autonomy is particularly left of field (forgive the expression).

But because the left's traditionally been the ground on which battles for the marginalized have been fought, a betrayal from that direction somehow stings so much more than when it comes from the right.

On reflection, you're right. They need to be made answerable, and shouldn't be given an easy out.

It really does. There’s a reason the media on the centre left are not being linked or quoted on this but the Telegraph to the DM are

Add in politicians and left wing organisations and it’s massively taken hold

Pp can’t berate others for reading right wing press at the same time as claiming it’s not a left wing issue - it’s only one side of the media for a reason

We'll leave aside whether TRA falls under the banner of 'progressive left'. To my mind this is old-school, right-wing, male rights activism

Your post was not aimed at me but I really disagree with you on this point. Transactivism is not 'falling under the banner' of the progressive left - it is actively championed at every turn by the Left. So much so that the Left see the 'what is a woman' question as bigotry in itself and refuse to answer.

Yes there are right wing misogynists of course but I think that the Left needs to own this shit.