Can we have a Daily Mail apprection thread after this article?!

"The Daily Mail doesn't hold back". Once again, seriously, you're granting them this inspiring tenacity so, so very easily. They DO hold back. They hold back on issues they don't think will get them views from their readership. They go hard on the issues they know will go down well with right wing twerps, and, on this ONE occasion, GC feminists. It didn't take bloody much, did it, for feminists to forget upskirting, dehumanising photos and comments on womens' bodies and columns from bigots, not to mention the literal Nazi sympathising history. Please stop viewing them as brave, pioneering "truth tellers". They HAPPEN to align with you on this one aspect of gender issues. That's it. Jfc I can't do this thread any more. Praise away, fairweather feminists.

Lovely, name one then, please.

Pretty much f*cking any of them? If I'm being asked to name a newspaper more feminist than the daily mail... I mean aside from the sun, there are many contenders for that accolade from me. Not hard.

Yup.

@tattygrl yes, you were asked. So, what's your answer, please?

Yes, I'd hold the same lines. I would still hold that I would never, ever want to see a feminist appreciation thread about the Daily Mail, regardless of what issue, personally important to me, they decided to champion. They're a destructive presence in our society, in my opinion, with a dark, sickening history. One hot-button issue is not enough to warrant applause from feminists, or anyone.

In today's paper there is also a bit of a rant against 'Smart Meters'
Thoughtful comments on the recent prosecution of the mother who had the late abortion.
It highlights the problems with the Pensions Authority and with the Compensation procedures for cancelled flights.
A mix of the serious and philosophical and the practical delays we all face.
Oh! and details on 4 Race Meetings.

Am I really being asked, in this year of our Lord 2023, if I can think of any publication more feminist than the daily mail? I feel lost for words 😂If only the DM knew all along that all they had to do to deflect feminist criticism was be anti-trans!

It’s obvious to most people that The Guardian are treacherous - they don’t have women’s backs at all around this issue. More fool us for believing in them.

The Mail, on the other hand has come up smelling of roses. More fool us for doubting them.

DM the most hated news source on MN.
Yet still the most quoted for articles in support of women.

Think of it this way.

You're a vegan, you and everyone knows that means no meat products in anything you consume.
Now, suddenly there are trans vegans, they like to eat meat every day but still call themselves vegan.
You begin to object but keep getting shut down.
Every restaurant you go to now serves trans-vegan food, meaning there is meat in every dish.
You're confused because obviously that no longer means it's vegan. It seems like everyone has gone mad and words don't mean the same thing as they used to.
You lose your job for speaking up for vegans, you're banned from groups and online spaces for saying being vegan means you don't eat animal products.
You're called a Nazi for wanting to set up your own vegan restaurant which obviously wouldn't include animal products.
Your business is picketed and no media will print anything about it apart from a paper you've historically disliked like the DM.

Do you still think you'd hold all the same lines, or realise that getting the word out is more important?

Think the poster upthread (bernard, I think,)
had it pretty much spot on with the gender role train of thought.
It's not coming from a caring about women angle.

I'll stick to appreciating the articles while not giving them any cookies.

Yes, I think this about covers my thoughts on many of the posts on this thread

It's not that deeply unfeminist when they are the ONLY paper that is loudly talking about the ongoing erosion of womens rights, are they?

Which paper do you imagine is more feminist, right now?

And in the articles I've read they really do their research, as well, because they know that any inaccuracies will be jumped on.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain yes, I’ve read a few articles where I know more about the story, and the DM did a good job in reporting a complex subject to the general public, to the point I use one of their articles in a training session I run.

it doesn’t mean I approve of the side bar of shame, their celebrity reporting or their nationalist and frankly xenophobic tone in many articles. But I take the view that if I want to consider myself well informed, then I need to read a wide variety of publications. Surely anyone who “disapproves” of the DM would be equally aware of the history and biases of all mainstream newspapers and broadcasters, and thus takes a critical approach to any reporting they read/see? .

A restaurant, AFAIK. (Amd there's of course also Appleby)

@JaneyGee good grief!

The poster has already clarified that by wtf'ing the autocorrect - it was meant to say wokeness

The waters are getting muddied here because it's turned into a debate about whether it's possible to appreciate one aspect of a publication when the other aspects of it are questionable, to say the least. That wasn't the question in the OP. The OP was asking whether to have an appreciation thread for this paper on the feminist board. That's what I believe is wrong, because this is a deeply unfeminist publication.

For another example, I'm vegan (yes, haha, I've announced it unprovoked). I'm very passionate about veganism and applaud any movement to see it moved more mainstream and into the public eye. However, I would NEVER suggest an appreciation thread for the DM if it started posting pro-veganism articles, because the paper as a whole doesn't deserve praise on ethical grounds. It's too nasty overall.

To be fair, though, Applebees ARE c*s.

I'm a Marxist, as it turns out. It's a terrible failing of the left that the left-wing media - other than the Morning Star - have ceased to regard and report on women and girls in the UK and North America as a sex-class.

What nonsense is this? Honestly I don't know what you were being taught at school, regarding literature, and culture. Stop with the dramatics.