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PrincessPalatine · 14/06/2023 16:13

Helleofabore · 14/06/2023 16:10

Would you like to point out where Julie Bindel's articles are incorrect, inaccurate or not representing a feminist viewpoint?

Rather than attempting an ad hominem attack towards Julie Bindel that is.

Don't you mean ad feminam?

Helleofabore · 14/06/2023 16:10

PrincessPalatine · 14/06/2023 15:31

You mean she isn't?

Would you like to point out where Julie Bindel's articles are incorrect, inaccurate or not representing a feminist viewpoint?

Rather than attempting an ad hominem attack towards Julie Bindel that is.

SunnyEgg · 14/06/2023 16:05

ArabeIIaScott · 14/06/2023 16:03

Morning Star.

I did mention this one earlier. So it seems the centre left is a vacuum on this as pro male

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/06/2023 16:03

Seasonofthewitch83 · 14/06/2023 16:00

Because a thread was started about why we should appreciate the DM. Lots of people have vocalised why they take particular issue with it. Not sure why we then have to have a row over every single papers pros and cons.

So hang on

you can list the reasons you don’t like the mail but no one else can talk about what they think of other news outlets?

seems legit

ArabeIIaScott · 14/06/2023 16:03

SunnyEgg · 14/06/2023 16:02

Is there one though?

Who covers GC issue well, that is left wing

Morning Star.

ArabeIIaScott · 14/06/2023 16:02

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/06/2023 16:00

<blushes>

<drinks wine>

As ever.

<pours a spritzer>

SunnyEgg · 14/06/2023 16:02

Seasonofthewitch83 · 14/06/2023 15:56

Why? So you can then list all the reasons you personally do not like that paper?

Is there one though?

Who covers GC issue well, that is left wing

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/06/2023 16:00

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/06/2023 15:33

Bernard your work on this thread is StarWine

<blushes>

<drinks wine>

Seasonofthewitch83 · 14/06/2023 16:00

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/06/2023 15:58

And that is different to what you’ve been doing on this thread how?

Because a thread was started about why we should appreciate the DM. Lots of people have vocalised why they take particular issue with it. Not sure why we then have to have a row over every single papers pros and cons.

RudsyFarmer · 14/06/2023 15:59

ArabeIIaScott · 14/06/2023 14:44

You are positing this as the absolute number one issue facing women and girls in 2023?

I'm afraid I don't agree. The erosion of the legal class of 'women' is coming higher up in my list of concerns.

I call strawnan on this post

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/06/2023 15:58

Seasonofthewitch83 · 14/06/2023 15:56

Why? So you can then list all the reasons you personally do not like that paper?

And that is different to what you’ve been doing on this thread how?

JaneyGee · 14/06/2023 15:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/06/2023 15:24

My mum reads the Daily Mail (for the TV guide mainly) and is not a nasty right-wing fruitcake. She's a quite ordinary apolitical retired woman of working class origins who likes cats, ballet and historical romances. This country is full of people like her, largely filling their days with unpaid care (grandchildren and elderly parents).

My mum is similar.

To those on the left, that IS a right-wing fruitcake! Everyone who disagrees with them in any way is a right-wing fruitcake.
Mildly patriotic? You're a right-wing nutcase.
Don't hate your own country? You're a right-wing nutcase.
Don't believe we should be re-writing classic novels? You're a right-wing nutcase.
Don't believe every migrant is a genuine refugee? You're a right-wing nutcase. Don't believe that everyone on disability benefits is genuinely ill? You're a right-wing nutcase.

Never underestimate how full of spite and hatred the left really are. They hide behind a mask of moral superiority, but when you get to know them, you often find bitterness, cruelty and breathtaking intolerance. They hate ordinary, suburban, Daily Mail readers like your mum. For example, I knew a local conservative counsellor, a very nice, polite, middle-class lady who lived in a detached house on the edge of our village. An estate was built next to her, and a 'problem family' moved into the social housing bit. When she complained about their behaviour, they made her life a misery. When a left-wing neighbour of mine heard about this, she literally burst out laughing. She could hardly contain her joy at the thought of "that posh b*tch" having her life ruined. That's the left in a nutshell.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 14/06/2023 15:56

IcakethereforeIam · 14/06/2023 15:53

Still waiting for the name of an approved newspaper on this issue, I even said 'please'.

I'm starting to think that some of the people who disapprove of us approving the DM talking about it, don't approve of anyone talking about it.

Why? So you can then list all the reasons you personally do not like that paper?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/06/2023 15:56

eliminating a subset of women

Male ones? Think you'll find they aren't anything to do with women. And who is talking about "eliminating" anyone? The hyperbole is real.

IcakethereforeIam · 14/06/2023 15:53

Still waiting for the name of an approved newspaper on this issue, I even said 'please'.

I'm starting to think that some of the people who disapprove of us approving the DM talking about it, don't approve of anyone talking about it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/06/2023 15:45

I read news from a wide variety of sources: The Guardian, Mail on line, Byline Times, local press, Twitter, I watch ITV and Channel 4 news and listen to LBC. I do this to try to address my own biases (we all have them) and to try get a nuanced picture of current affairs.

Me too.

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 14/06/2023 15:36

PrincessPalatine · 14/06/2023 15:31

You mean she isn't?

No, she isn't.

Is this your latest effort to deflect from all the questions that have been asked since you Godwinned? You shouldn't have let on that you were actually still here.

funnelfan · 14/06/2023 15:35

Simianwalk · 14/06/2023 15:31

Are we not able to focus on more than one thing. The DM may have got this right but are so fucking awful on almost all other women's issues that to say they are doing this for women and not because it's an easy sell to their readership is being naive.

Is anyone saying though that they are doing it for women? I think it’s quite clear that for most of us, based on this thread, that we do not rely on any mainstream media source as holding certain core values. As a PP said, they are astute business people who know what topics drive their revenue. The fact that they can actually do relatively accurate journalism too is a bonus for those of us with an interest in this topic.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/06/2023 15:33

Bernard your work on this thread is StarWine

PrincessPalatine · 14/06/2023 15:31

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 14/06/2023 15:20

It may be worth remembering that when Julie Bindel recently confronted some people who were protesting against her speaking, they told her that they thought she was Julie Burchill.

You mean she isn't?

Simianwalk · 14/06/2023 15:31

ArabeIIaScott · 14/06/2023 14:44

You are positing this as the absolute number one issue facing women and girls in 2023?

I'm afraid I don't agree. The erosion of the legal class of 'women' is coming higher up in my list of concerns.

Are we not able to focus on more than one thing. The DM may have got this right but are so fucking awful on almost all other women's issues that to say they are doing this for women and not because it's an easy sell to their readership is being naive.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/06/2023 15:24

My mum reads the Daily Mail (for the TV guide mainly) and is not a nasty right-wing fruitcake. She's a quite ordinary apolitical retired woman of working class origins who likes cats, ballet and historical romances. This country is full of people like her, largely filling their days with unpaid care (grandchildren and elderly parents).

My mum is similar.

SunnyEgg · 14/06/2023 15:24

notokaywiththetropes · 14/06/2023 15:19

I'm still waiting to hear what approved of newspapers are making any noise about this issue.....

Here too

hamstersarse · 14/06/2023 15:23

notokaywiththetropes · 14/06/2023 15:19

I'm still waiting to hear what approved of newspapers are making any noise about this issue.....

Me too

Any of the news channels for that matter!

I suspect GB News have covered it, but again, not Approved Media

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 14/06/2023 15:20

It may be worth remembering that when Julie Bindel recently confronted some people who were protesting against her speaking, they told her that they thought she was Julie Burchill.