Woman loses fight to see daughter’s sex education content

Is this the 'anti-feminist' Mail?

Good. This stuff needs blown wide open; parents need to raise hell.

The situation in Scotland is at least clearer - all RSHP teachings are online, all resources are viewable and provided by the government. There are still various issues with these resources, that are going to have to be challenged one by one.

But the situation in E&W seems ... unsafe, tbh.

This article is still second on the Mail's online edition and has generated over 1,000 comments. They've evidently spent a long time researching this with clear evidence of real resources that are used in schools.

DamePickle · Today 21:02
My son said they were told that any 'disrespectful' questions or comments would earn a detention. So they all sat and said nothing.

In year 9 he told another pupil that he believed there were only 2 sexes, you were a boy or a girl and that was it.

That warranted a phone call from his head of year to inform me that he wasn't to say such things again

What did you say to the head of year?

My son said they were told that any 'disrespectful' questions or comments would earn a detention. So they all sat and said nothing.

In year 9 he told another pupil that he believed there were only 2 sexes, you were a boy or a girl and that was it.

That warranted a phone call from his head of year to inform me that he wasn't to say such things again.

Yeah my 7 year old is reading books at school that basically say if you like nice dresses and are male your family should support you and take you to pride. They agree the lessons are a "safe space" so should not tell parents what's being discussed.

And I can't pull her out of the class.

Luckily my daughter tells me everything and is not vulnerable to being drawn in herself. But she's being told her feelings don't matter if a boy says he's a girl. I can't wait for this to be tackled because the kids get in trouble if they question currently it's just wrong

I thought that was really awful for two reasons.

Firstly, 100% of the focus is on how "Tom" felt not being welcomed into the boys' toilets. Not even one single jot of consideration is given to the boys who were upset by the presence of a female student entering.

Secondly, they have deliberately used the example of a harmless trans boy going into the boy's toilets and not 6ft trans girl Chloe entering the girls' toilets where a Muslim student is adjusting her hijab in front of the mirror and another female student is in a cubicle dealing with a heavy flooding situation.

They're literally teaching kids that if you're not trans your feelings and discomfort don't matter and that you need to put up and shut up otherwise you're a bigot.

Just in case anyone thinks these resources aren't real and/or being used, the one about the female pupil 'Tom' using the male toilets was in my son's PSHE booklet (year 10, comprehensive school in north Herts). The booklet only came home once, by accident. After that he hasn't been allowed to bring it home. Always collected in by the teacher. Head of year dodges all attempts to discuss it.

I think I did (or someone did) Scrolling.

Sorry, that was an auto correct to Alan but the writer of the book mentioned is Alice Hoyle.

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 09:58

Well the Mail on Sunday are sharing a range of SRE resources in a very lengthy article today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12189041/Twelve-year-olds-taught-anal-sex-school-nine-year-olds-told-masturbate.html

Thank you for MrsOvertons. Having read it I think it is wrong that sex education is mandatory in the U.K.

The providers seem to think what they have to say, and what they suggest children should be doing, is universally true. They seem to be intent on sexualising children at any cost, as soon as possible, and as though sex is a purely physical act, separate from any greater whole that is part of love, responsibility and or relationships.

I can’t find any words acceptable on here to express what I think about them.

It would be interesting to buy and read the whole of one of the books mentioned called Great Relationships and Sex Education by Alan ce Hoyle and Ester McGeeney. It is expensive but it would be good to have greater detail.

Have you added this link to the thread praising the Daily Mail MrsOvertons?

I want these people in prison. I want them to never work in any position of power ever again. I'm far from alone in this. Tell me what I need to do to make these things happen.

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The archive is at archive dot ph/kfNno

They've had to pixelate what's being taught. I wonder what the legal advice said about handling that material

Well the Mail on Sunday are sharing a range of SRE resources in a very lengthy article today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12189041/Twelve-year-olds-taught-anal-sex-school-nine-year-olds-told-masturbate.html

Will definitely contribute to any appeal. Absolute madness. Don’t believe the commercial argument at all either. It’s reputational damage they don’t want. Perhaps try not having resources which are wildly inappropriate instead!

@BaronMunchausen I would only say that I agree with you I would not be persuaded by the argument as I understand it. showing the materials, discussing the lesson plans and then the parent can at least counter the points made seem to me to be an important norm.

I feel Margot's point that the parent concerned was likely to go apeshit if she was shown was playing a key role in the decision making process.

And that I think REALLY hits the nail on the head!

I think @OldGardinia makes an insightful point about the teachers (and heads) not wanting to take on the responsibility for teaching sex ed in the current dare I say religious / political furore.

Basic biology - teachers felt confident
Basic relationship stuff - respect consent boundaries etc. - teachers felt ok with
current climate - lots of teachers don't know what the hell is supposed to be going on.

If, as they claim, trans people have always existed in society, why wouldn't children's parents understand it?

This is the point of it. Secret sex stuff that your parents wouldn't possibly understand.

Sinister and worrying for anyone who hasn't been swept up in the ideology

Yes, I guess sexual reproduction is the same as it always was but society's attitudes towards it have changed a lot more in the last few decades than, say, French grammar.

But that's an argument for having online resources that can be easily updated, not for teaching things in secret without any proper oversight or safeguarding.

We are a primary and we use online resources. I am having a meeting with parents where we are sharing our RSE resources that are printed out and answering questions. We cannot put them online or let them make copies of them for copyright reasons. The same happens for any resources we purchase.

It is important that parents can see the resources if they wish including viewing the video for year 6.

It has actually been a real headache making sure we use the resources we feel are appropriate.

The DfE should have provided detailed guidelines - but the tories govern on a "no red tape" "you're the experts" basis. Thus allowing all these dodgy organisations to self identify as the experts and sell all this age inappropriate queer theory ideology to schools.
Sex ed in schools needs to be "conservative" in approach, age appropriate & take account of the differing needs of children. We need a core curriculum and IF outside agencies are to be used, they must be regulated and monitored in terms of knowledges and safeguarding.

“There seem to be important differences between the teaching of sex education and the teaching of other subjects in this respect though.

My mum was a teacher and for her subject (languages) the school owned a set of text books which were loaned out to each student at the start of the year. The text books were usually a bit dated (I remember using the old Arc en Ciel French books in the late 1990s and early 2000s for example), but since French grammar and vocabulary hadn't changed particularly radically, schools could get away with using the same set of text books for a couple of decades before they really needed replacing.”

The other thing that hasn’t changed particularly radically (or indeed at all) is the mechanics of sexual reproduction. So why don’t schools have existing teaching and learning materials which they can use to teach sex ed?

OK, I get that the wider context of growing up in an online world is a massive difference - and especially the availability of videos of extreme sexual violence against women and girls which children are able to access on their phones - and the culture of sexting, nudes and digital harassment of girls.

But it seems to me that an external provider whose main focus is on protecting children from these online harms would be unlikely to be an external provider which also refuses to let parents have a copy of what it is teaching their children.