Jailing a mother of three - WTF

I agree with abortion at this stage being illegal, but I think this woman needs therapy not a prison sentence. No one in their right mind, thinking clearly, would choose to abort at home at that stage. She must have either not had full understanding of how horrific that would be or be so desperate. Neither of those are helped by being imprisoned.

Mostly I would agree with you. However, I have encountered a family where the mother was expected to keep having babies until she produced a boy. She was up to six girls the last time I knew her. Maybe she might have welcomed the option of not having to keep on doing that.

Through lockdown the pills were made available by post. There were many concerns within the nhs with those professions caring for women about this. No scans etc. It was the best that could be offered for women in covid. Sadly there are other stories of this occurring. And still they offer this service! Some feel it is good for women in abusive relationships as they don't need to attend hospital. It is a real worry for women who may get dates muddled or lie as they are scared. This could also be very dangerous for women who do not reach out for help if giving birth alone and things go wrong. Such a sad story all round

Yes is sex selective abortion better or worse than infanticide :(

@Alsobeyondshit I am so glad you don't, it always seemed weird to me to argue that it should be legal to abort on the grounds of sex.

In India, parents bury their baby girls alive.

Killing a viable child is terrible. I would worry for her other children

The alternatives are:

• to argue that aborting disabled babies is OK but aborting non-disabled ones isn't. The optics on that aren't great.
• to remove the option of aborting a disabled baby. I imagine that a lot of people wouldn't welcome that.

I think a lot of people on the AIBU thread conflated "what I think is immoral" with "what should be criminalised". Adultery is immoral but not criminalised. Abortion can be thought of in the same way.

Ah yes I forgot that. No I don't in theory - and it's illegal, I think rightly. But what happens in the UK when someone wants a sex based abortion but can't have one? I know in other countries baby girls have been dumped in the gutter. I'm not sure that's better.

CheeseTouch · Today 23:32
This is punishing her children, who will be deprived of their mum. Awful.”

She was aware of the law and the possible implications for her children. She deliberately lied to get around it. That is awful.

@Alsobeyondshit Do you support sex selective abortions? I know there used to be a few on mn who thought that was fine.

Should she be criminalised for drinking during pregnancy?

There are US states that have jailed women who used drugs whilst pregnant. Do you think that jailing her helps anyone? There are women in the same states who have been subjected to criminal investigation for having a bona fide miscarriage under the same foetal protection laws used to jail the pregnant drug and alcohol users.

We can believe that a particular action is a really stupid idea without believing that criminalisation of that action is sensible.

This is punishing her children, who will be deprived of their mum. Awful.

Yes. I do support terminations for any reason at any stage.

They don't care what board its on. Just looking for another thread to post in after the AIBU thread closed.

I'm gobsmacked by the pp suggesting that the mother deserves it because she was 'shagging around'.

WTAF?

So we are back to judging women by their 'moral purity' are we?

Agree with or vehemently disagree with her actions, but who she had sex with should not factor in to that decision!

I just can't believe what I've read. On the feminist board.

Oh FFS, you again. Is there some anti-woman bat signal that goes out?

PorcelinaV · Today 23:16
cyncope · Today 22:22

Pregnant women can take whatever they like.

“Personally I think that's completely immoral”

Agree.

Because its going to have an impact on her other children. They are missing tbs mum for 14 months.

As a pp has said, this is relevant and is usually considered in sentencing.

It's about considering the best possible outcome for all concerned, not saying that people with children should be able to commit crimes with impunity.

It doesn't really matter whether you think she is or not, but what the other inmates think. If they think what she has done constitutes killing a baby then they will treat her as such and she would be at risk.

Whichever side of the debate you're on, you can clearly see there is many on both of them. You don't think it is, but you're not the one inside with her.

JFC we'd just had a one thousand post bunfight in AIBU over this.

The difference between infanticide and really late abortion is the use of the mother's body as life support for the baby. In infanticide, that baby can be immediately handed to any competent adult to care for him/her. In late abortion, that's not the case without the baby leaving the mother's body first. The argument is then about whether she has the right to decide how and when the baby leaves her body at that stage in the pregnancy. But pretending that there's no difference at all is a false equivalence between someone born and someone not born.

She's not a baby killer you absolute weapon

So what was she carrying then?
Tin of rice? Nintendo DS? 6 pack of quavers?

For my part, I support a woman's choices right up to birth

Are you saying that you can support termination up to 39 weeks?
Deaths or serious complications are extremely rare. How can you possibly justify the above right to choice?

Personally I think that's completely immoral.

What has her being a mother of three got to do with the price of baked beans?