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Elon Musk's latest tweet tonight! Delighted he's advocating for children. They need a powerful voice speaking out on their behalf. Pendulum is swinging!

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Moonandstarz · 11/06/2023 22:25

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1667982248614739970?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1667982248614739970?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/06/2023 12:26

Wanderingowl · 13/06/2023 11:35

Just on that first sentence. They both lost their first child. Elon has quite recently described how his eldest son died in his arms. I don't think it's unusual at all that following that, they pursued two pregnancies quite quickly. It's also not unusual that he has gone on to have more children following his marriage. My only criticism of Elon in terms of the amount of children he has, would be the use of a surrogate for his daughter with Grimes. Odds are, this was a particularly well paid surrogate, but even still, it is a murky business.

I also have more empathy with Justine than I do for most mothers who whole-heartedly endorse their child pursuing gender transition. Experiencing the loss of a child would make you much more susceptible to emotional manipulation inherent in; 'Would you rather have a living daughter or a dead son?'

I've read her statements on their marriage before and I believe he was what most women would consider a terrible husband due mainly to his extreme workaholism. And also what I expect is a lack of willingness to compromise in a marriage. But I don't think he's an inherently bad guy because he makes a shitty life partner.

I haven’t seen much of what his first wife has said but his second wife (the British actress who was in St Trinians) gave quite a detailed interview in the documentary about him and what she said sounds very similar. It was also clear that she was still very fond of him. She gave the impression that she didn’t consider him a jerk but just found him very hard to live with.

Wanderingowl · 13/06/2023 11:35

anyolddinosaur · 13/06/2023 11:03

His first wife lost a child to SIDS. She wanted 4 children but IVF doesnt always work that way.

Despite their messy divorce she has said "But I will always respect the brilliant and visionary person that he is."

Unlike the (autistic?) people rubbishing him she understands people are complex. He can certainly be a dick at times but nothing unusual in that.

Just on that first sentence. They both lost their first child. Elon has quite recently described how his eldest son died in his arms. I don't think it's unusual at all that following that, they pursued two pregnancies quite quickly. It's also not unusual that he has gone on to have more children following his marriage. My only criticism of Elon in terms of the amount of children he has, would be the use of a surrogate for his daughter with Grimes. Odds are, this was a particularly well paid surrogate, but even still, it is a murky business.

I also have more empathy with Justine than I do for most mothers who whole-heartedly endorse their child pursuing gender transition. Experiencing the loss of a child would make you much more susceptible to emotional manipulation inherent in; 'Would you rather have a living daughter or a dead son?'

I've read her statements on their marriage before and I believe he was what most women would consider a terrible husband due mainly to his extreme workaholism. And also what I expect is a lack of willingness to compromise in a marriage. But I don't think he's an inherently bad guy because he makes a shitty life partner.

anyolddinosaur · 13/06/2023 11:03

His first wife lost a child to SIDS. She wanted 4 children but IVF doesnt always work that way.

Despite their messy divorce she has said "But I will always respect the brilliant and visionary person that he is."

Unlike the (autistic?) people rubbishing him she understands people are complex. He can certainly be a dick at times but nothing unusual in that.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 13/06/2023 09:47

Forwarder · 12/06/2023 16:24

Elon Musk is concerned about children sterilising themselves.

Less so about women's rights and dignity.

He has a large number of children with several different women. Pretty sure none of the children were procured in the traditional manner.

He persuaded his first wife to carry FIVE babies over a two year period. IVF twins followed straight away by IVF triplets. I'm not convinced he is entirely on the side of women.

So has he got ivf to work first time every time?
That would be unusual as lots of women have to go through several unsuccesful rounds.

Plus is it all on him or did his first wife have any say? Anyone asked her?

Most of us here are concerned about children being sterilized. In fact some of us more concerned with that than womens rights, its not a bad thing to prioritise.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 13/06/2023 09:45

PrincessPalatine · 12/06/2023 18:33

Elon Musk is a colossal knob. End of.

He may well be a ‘colossal knob’, but that not the ‘end of’ anything!

You sound like a sulky teenager 😁

Ourladycheesusedatum · 13/06/2023 09:41

Ourladycheesusedatum · 12/06/2023 10:17

Quite the list there

Care to be more specific with links.

I'm not being snidely, I genuinely have no idea here

Any further info on this list of things Elon musk is accused of?

Lilifer · 13/06/2023 09:34

Lilifer
"Elon Musk is a colossal knob. End of."

How could one fail to be convinced by such persuasive and rational argument as this 👏🏻

It convinced me. Deal with it. 😀
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Well at least you can convince yourself I suppose 🤷‍♀️*

Moonandstarz · 13/06/2023 08:58

@PrincessPalatine you still haven't explained why you are so opposed to someone as powerful & influential as Elon speaking out & informing the world about what is actually being done to these children!
Why don't you want the children protected?

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Wanderingowl · 13/06/2023 08:21

PrincessPalatine · 12/06/2023 23:01

He sounds quite a lot like Hitler, based on that. Awfully misguided if he believes in 'clever genes'.

Intelligence is more influenced by genetics than any other factor. That's a known fact. Knowing facts does not make one Hitler. But comparing everything you don't like as Hitler (thanks for today's earworm Countess) does display a startling lack of ability to think critically. An aspect of intelligence that absolutely can be taught.

SinnerBoy · 13/06/2023 07:40

*potniatheron" · Today 09:55

Elon Musk is a smart man. He made electric cars affordable and available to the masses much more quickly than any of the big OEMs.

I wouldn't say the masses, they are pretty expensive and I certainly can't afford one. I'm not a squillionaire, but I'm not poorly paid.

I agree that he's right on this issue, but he's a dishonest bully, who believes that free speech extends to allowing slander. He called Vernon Unsworth "pedo guy" on a number of occasions, said that he was having sex with his wife when she was 13 and that he was only in Thailand for underage sex.

He paid a private investigator to get evidence to that effect, but bizarrely, won his case.

SunnyEgg · 13/06/2023 07:22

We’re having our reality taken out from under us

I can see what is being taught through the eyes of my dc

It’s very concerning

Moonandstarz · 13/06/2023 07:20

@Boomboom22 who deleted you? Yes the parallels are obvious. History has a funny way of repeating itself.

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Boomboom22 · 13/06/2023 07:18

And again I've been deleted for pointing out the actual parallels between various leftist movements in history and the way they work, and the current movement which uses very similar tactics. They really don't want you to know the Denton playback, no debate, shut people down. It is so painfully obvious to me but apparently not allowed to be thought.
Literally.

Ndd135632 · 13/06/2023 06:45

potniatheron · 12/06/2023 09:55

Elon Musk is a smart man. He made electric cars affordable and available to the masses much more quickly than any of the big OEMs. He's right on free speech. He was right about Twitter. And goddammit if he's not right about sterilising children too.

Gotta love the guy.

As for @PrincessPalatine , your liberal use of whataboutism, a derivative of tu quoque, is disingenuous and a bit pathetic. You're oh so tewwibly outraged about Musk's alleged support for Putin (which isn't true btw) but openly boast that you were a member of the Labour Party during the corbyn years, when Corbyn's support for anti-Semites, Islamist terrorists, and Putin's Russia presumably bothered you not one whit, because you are complacent in your self-image as 'one of the good ones'.

Overly privileged middle class progressives bore me every. damn. time with their total predictability.

Gosh catching up and doesn’t this hit the nail slap bam on the head

Moonandstarz · 12/06/2023 23:36

@PrincessPalatine
I doubt Elon (or anyone else!) gives a fiddlers fuck what your opinion is of him 🤣

However millions worldwide will be very concerned with what Elon is highlighting in regards to the sterilisation of children.

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PrincessPalatine · 12/06/2023 23:01

Boomboom22 · 12/06/2023 22:29

I don't think it's fair to call Elon a knob. Yes he is autistic and has communication difficulties so comes across blunt, but he does what he does to try to save humanity.
He believes the clever upper class need to breed fast so they don't get overrun by the lower class low iq genes. Yes eugenics but he believes it'll be good for the world to spread his clever genes.
He's trying to make electric cars, to stop climate change.
He's trying to go to Mars, to save humanity from itself.
He's trying to remove disabilities, ok bit eugenics again but he does want to help people walk.

He sounds quite a lot like Hitler, based on that. Awfully misguided if he believes in 'clever genes'.

PrincessPalatine · 12/06/2023 23:00

Lilifer · 12/06/2023 22:11

"Elon Musk is a colossal knob. End of."

How could one fail to be convinced by such persuasive and rational argument as this 👏🏻

It convinced me. Deal with it. 😀

anyolddinosaur · 12/06/2023 22:56

Your child is always your child, even if legally an adult. His transgender child is 18 - still doesnt have an adult brain as that is not fully adult until 25.

niandraladesand · 12/06/2023 22:35

You keep repeating he's the father of a trans child, but the "child" is an adult and wants nothing to do with him.

Musk was also very abusive to his ex wife.

Boomboom22 · 12/06/2023 22:31

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Boomboom22 · 12/06/2023 22:29

I don't think it's fair to call Elon a knob. Yes he is autistic and has communication difficulties so comes across blunt, but he does what he does to try to save humanity.
He believes the clever upper class need to breed fast so they don't get overrun by the lower class low iq genes. Yes eugenics but he believes it'll be good for the world to spread his clever genes.
He's trying to make electric cars, to stop climate change.
He's trying to go to Mars, to save humanity from itself.
He's trying to remove disabilities, ok bit eugenics again but he does want to help people walk.

Lilifer · 12/06/2023 22:11

"Elon Musk is a colossal knob. End of."

How could one fail to be convinced by such persuasive and rational argument as this 👏🏻

Moonandstarz · 12/06/2023 21:27

Well obviously this is a huge concern of his, he is the father of a trans child @Raquelos . It is imperative he speaks out against the sterilisation of children.
He is right to use his influence & power. What is being done to these children is horrifying & chilling in equal measures. It needs to stop.

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Raquelos · 12/06/2023 21:15

Moonandstarz · 12/06/2023 18:41

Exactly he's on our side & he's advocating for all the children out there as a parent of a trans child himself.

That's the problem right there, he's not on "our side". He's on his own side, which is exactly where he always is. We might be relieved that (some of) our concerns are being amplified through the world's biggest loudspeaker, but that doesn't remove the travesty of one person having so much uncontrolled influence, especially when that person is so exclusively focused on their own interests,