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Will you be watching the debate tomorrow?

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ACatCalledPushka · 11/06/2023 20:09

Am looking forward to tomorrow’s debate on the Equality Act. Anyone else planning to watch it?

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Boiledbeetle · 12/06/2023 14:01

or rather who

Boiledbeetle · 12/06/2023 14:01

Well... the Maya Robin interview is going down well on twitter.

I wonder what most people seems to be talking about?

ResisterRex · 12/06/2023 13:58

The idea that you're going to object in a situation like that is preposterous. Only with my DC, would I even consider it. I'd more likely leave, wait, then try to use the changing rooms or loos again after I think enough time has passed.

xabia · 12/06/2023 13:56

If RMW stated that they were 'somatically' a woman that makes no sense at all as that refers to the body rather than the mind.

Eddielizzard · 12/06/2023 13:46

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roarfeckingroarr · 12/06/2023 13:35

No, it'll make me too angry as men MPs miss the point and Lucas etc peddle the "most disadvantaged in society" myth.

AmuseBish · 12/06/2023 13:34

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QuickWash · 12/06/2023 13:33

xabia · 12/06/2023 13:31

If Labour female MPs are feeling more confident that they can speak out then the tide is really turning.

Yes, to say "I do agree with Maya on this" is bravery indeed.

QuickWash · 12/06/2023 13:32

AmuseBish · 12/06/2023 13:24

How can Crispin Blunt say "it would be terrible for people to have to use facilities they don't feel comfortable in" and not be able to think that through? What does that mean for WOMEN?

Exactly - it would be laughable if it wasn't so important.
Some people I wonder if they're dishonest or thick.

He said it very quickly and kept talking to prevent anyone pointing out the obvious flaw in what he was saying. He knows, he just wanted to centre the "most vulnerable".

Did you see how quickly Maya's mention of Muslim women was glossed over. Not one of those there picked up AT ALL on the needs of other more marginalised groups.

xabia · 12/06/2023 13:31

If Labour female MPs are feeling more confident that they can speak out then the tide is really turning.

QuickWash · 12/06/2023 13:30

In some ways, I feel really sad for RMW. They seem to have no insight into how they come across and how recounting the tale of how all 20 women in their gym class said they are fine with them invading their space really sounds a bit like a child who is doesn't get the complexities of friendships and social interactions and takes the actions of others on face value.

If RMW really does believe they're female, really does believe that no women have any issue with them in their spaces and really does believe that other people see them as a woman then RMW lives in such a state of delusion that someone close to them should be keeping them out of the public eye and looking after them.

RMW very clearly demonstrated that they are not seeking solutions to accommodate women's needs and wishes, they are not prepared to accept anything other than complete validation, capitulation and domination. That makes me feel not at all sorry for them and really cross.

xabia · 12/06/2023 13:26

Not surprised at all by Blunt but the Labour MP- Siobhan? - made some great points in her support of Maya.

AmuseBish · 12/06/2023 13:24

How can Crispin Blunt say "it would be terrible for people to have to use facilities they don't feel comfortable in" and not be able to think that through? What does that mean for WOMEN?

Exactly - it would be laughable if it wasn't so important.
Some people I wonder if they're dishonest or thick.

AutisticLegoLover · 12/06/2023 13:23

I'm trying to watch on iPlayer and it's not playing.

seXX · 12/06/2023 13:23

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AmuseBish · 12/06/2023 13:22

Oh how surprising that it descends into "what a particular trans person is like and how people talk about them to their face"

AmuseBish · 12/06/2023 13:20

Great point about not making two tiers of trans people either - those with and without GRCs.

AmuseBish · 12/06/2023 13:19

I'm just catching up - thought RMW said 'semantically female' which makes far less sense?! Guess it is somatically.

Don't think Maya should have said 'I see Robin as a man' - the 'unkindness' of that will be what sticks in many people's minds and it didn't need to be an observation about a particular person.

Agree that Maya put it across brilliantly and very clearly otherwise.

Boiledbeetle · 12/06/2023 13:15

QuickWash · 12/06/2023 13:13

Did RMW get Transmen and Tranwomen muddled up at some point too?

probably, RMW is confused about what a woman is most days so its an easy mistake for Robin to make

Boiledbeetle · 12/06/2023 13:14

QuickWash · 12/06/2023 13:07

Omg omg omg

I am SO cross.

How can Crispin Blunt say "it would be terrible for people to have to use facilities they don't feel comfortable in" and not be able to think that through? What does that mean for WOMEN?

RMW is "somatically female" what does that mean?

RMW started off arguing that they were there as a practical lawyer to give their professional opinion but ended up making it all about RMW and how they know they're so accepted and always use women's facilities with no problems.

RMW wouldn't know how those coerced and vulnerable women actually feel nor would RMW care.

And what's this FOI that states there are no issues in the NHS. No issues with what? There's a lot of issues and women's vulnerability is not bottom of the list.

but ended up making it all about RMW and how they know they're so accepted and always use women's facilities with no problems.

RMW wouldn't know how those coerced and vulnerable women actually feel nor would RMW care.

Can you imagine the conversation... ladies we will be having Robin Moira White, a lawyer joining us, who has said xyz about the law and we must make them welcome.. No I know you're uncomfortable about it but the law has been explained to me by Robin who as a legal person wouldn't misrepresent it in any way and apparently we have to ignore our guts and let Robin ride roughshod all over our rights.

And whilst women may be polite to Robins face, for fear of losing their job, you do have to wonder what they say when Robin isn't around because id bet it was something completely different.

QuickWash · 12/06/2023 13:13

Did RMW get Transmen and Tranwomen muddled up at some point too?

QuickWash · 12/06/2023 13:07

Omg omg omg

I am SO cross.

How can Crispin Blunt say "it would be terrible for people to have to use facilities they don't feel comfortable in" and not be able to think that through? What does that mean for WOMEN?

RMW is "somatically female" what does that mean?

RMW started off arguing that they were there as a practical lawyer to give their professional opinion but ended up making it all about RMW and how they know they're so accepted and always use women's facilities with no problems.

RMW wouldn't know how those coerced and vulnerable women actually feel nor would RMW care.

And what's this FOI that states there are no issues in the NHS. No issues with what? There's a lot of issues and women's vulnerability is not bottom of the list.

ResisterRex · 12/06/2023 13:05

Boiledbeetle · 12/06/2023 13:01

Maya has the rights of over half the population of the country in mind. Robin has the rights of Robin in mind.

Crispin Blunt, too. No consideration that women will not want to share spaces with males - with or without a GRC. Do we just stay at home then? It's OK for us to be excluded from public life?

As for using the women's loos when there's a unisex option and you've not even got a GRC. Appalling.

Boiledbeetle · 12/06/2023 13:01

Maya has the rights of over half the population of the country in mind. Robin has the rights of Robin in mind.

xabia · 12/06/2023 13:01

Best tv interview for agesSmile