Will you be watching the debate tomorrow?

Siobhan Mcdonagh's Twitter suspended. Is she getting a pile on?

Has she temporarily deactivated or is she suspended?

So we have two males - Robin and Crispin - telling women what they must do and what they must accept and giving no thought or consideration to whether or not that suits women, no thought or consideration for the feelings of women it is ALL about the males. The sheer breath taking hypocrisy and extreme selfishness on full display AGAIN, a feature not a bug.

Towards the end

Can anyone tell me what point in the bbc programme to jump to for Maya interview?

Siobhan Mcdonagh's Twitter suspended. Is she getting a pile on?

It would be so much easier if men would just accept that just as women wear shirts and trousers, men can wear skirts, tights and high heels (god knows why they would want to mind it is a most impractical clothes decision in just about every situation i can think of) and the world won't come to a grinding halt.

Because the more I hear people on the trans side of the debate talk the more I become convinced that there really is nothing to this apart from how they present the outside version of themselves and some special feelings they have that they can't or won't quantify in any rational sense.

And if that's all they are willing to say then I'm not willing to let them in my spaces because that isn't good enough.

Siobhain I think. I feel an email message of support coming on!

How can Crispin Blunt say "it would be terrible for people to have to use facilities they don't feel comfortable in" and not be able to think that through? What does that mean for WOMEN?

Because Crispin Blunt is a misogynistic arsehole.

Again, I have a smidge of sympathy for RMW here. They have been caught up in (and are guilty of perpetuating) the complete lie that if you do xyz then you will qualify, or pass, or have the legal status of a women. It just isn't true and they can rail and rant against it but at some point they will have to acknowledge that you cannot force other people to believe something they just don't. No matter what you pay/go through/chop off/add on/wear you are still male and will be all of your life. So sad to waste so much energy fighting it.

Especially when those surgeries haven't included the bottom half!! As we all know most men don't have that done, and so a pair of knockers does not give you the right to go to the loo in the women's toilets unless you are actually a woman.

I don't care how many surgeries someone has; a male cannot earn the right to use women's spaces. It doesn't matter how much said male wants to use women's spaces, women's feelings ALSO matter.

not often I get to write a thank you card to a Labour MP. Makes a nice change.

Anyone who has the stomach for it should read RMW's blog. It is very clear that there is an expectation that having paid for multiple surgeries, RMW feels they have earned the right to use whatever facilities they choose.

thinking about it it isn't such an odd choice of word 'somatically' given that in medicine it is used to discuss somatoform disorders
What are the somatoform disorders?

• Somatisation disorder.
• Hypochondriasis.
• Conversion disorder.
• Body dysmorphic disorder.
• Pain disorder.

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Labour MP Siobhan McDonagh supported Maya.

ArabeIIaScott · Today 14:17

ResisterRex · Today 12:52

*Why is RMW making the point about female to male people? That's the group highlighted as losing rights under "for all purposes" (which the GRA was not - see all the peerages and so on). That group would lose maternity rights^.

Clearly nobody in the trans movement cares about transmen or whether they lose rights

I thought RMW was deflecting and also implying,

“See? You all have not been thinking of women like you thought you were: your campatriots, transmen, are desperate to pee in the Gents’; and ordinary women will be horrified to see these male-like apparitions in the Ladies’ if that’s where the law forces them.”

Meanwhile while time in the programme has gone on that non-issue, all the other really important ones may get no mention.

Yes RMW states "trans" stands for "transitioned" and believes the reward for this is access to the opposite sex's single sex spaces. RMW seems to say that they deserve the prize ie validation.

It is striking that the trans representation always focuses on me me me.

always.

Maya managed to make her points without referencing her fanny, too. Wonder why RMW feels the need to share the news that RMW had “surgery” in every interview?

there must be a reason. I can’t think what it might be though. All I know is that I know more about RMWs crotch than the debate from that interview.

I noticed that Robin said that we should think of “trans” as meaning “transitioning” (that was the gist anyway). I’m not sure that tallies with the Stonewall trans umbrella, or indeed the claim that “cis” is the opposite of trans. Is Robin trying to make people think of Hayley Cropper when they think of a transwoman rather than, say, Isla Bryson?

xabia · Today 13:26
Not surprised at all by Blunt but the Labour MP- Siobhan? - made some great points in her support of Maya.

I was impressed by her and especially how clearly and sharply she was able to cut through to all the important issues for women. What is her name and where is her constituency?

Clearly nobody in the trans movement cares about transmen or whether they lose rights.

Yes. That's really good to see.

Yes, I think that's what they said. Odd word choice.

Is the public allowed to watch. MN have just told me I won a book (Wavewaller) in a competition so am heading up to a bookshop to collect. Conveniently near Westminster Hall. Will anyone else be there?