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Sonia Sodha: How did NHS body get the law so badly wrong over its rules on same-sex care?

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MondayYogurt · 11/06/2023 09:37

Article link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/11/new-nhs-guidance-could-prevent-same-sex-care-for-women?
Archive: https://archive.ph/mmT77

Twitter response: https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1667787877797724162?s=46&t=TMUOZCqGbx3Pv9MjeQqrig

Muslim women are bigots, you see chaps. Good thing they have white twitter beards to explain.

Sonia Sodha: How did NHS body get the law so badly wrong over its rules on same-sex care?
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Pandonut · 11/06/2023 11:29

sleepyscientist · 11/06/2023 11:03

In a time when the NHS is struggling beyond belief should gender/sex even be considered is a bigger question. What if the HCP hasn't declared their sex assigned at birth to fellow staff, by forcing them to declare it to patients is outing them.

Personally I don't think gender, race, religion etc should be considered in NHS care. Whoever is the most appropriate HCP provides the care. In time if and when NHS waiting lists have recovered and the service is funded properly then luxuries like this can be considered.

Vulnerable women who request to not have intimate care/examinations and the like done by a biological male should not be forced into it just as the member of staff identifies themselves as a woman. Arguably that theoretical person shouldn't be using female staff changing spaces and whatever else, but thats probably another conversation.

For me the rights of the most vulnerable patients shouldn't be superceded by a man's want for validation. It will actively stop some women seeking healthcare, and as we know by experiences as well as data and stats; women are already disadvantaged in healthcare.

Ramblingnamechanger · 11/06/2023 11:25

The NHS could employ men who identify as trans to give special care to other trans identifying people which will suit everybody, no? Well no it won’t , because the extra validation won’t be included.

dimorphism · 11/06/2023 11:21

Male sex for anyone who has gone through male puberty is always obvious in person. This document wants to force people to lie about the facts in front of them.

There is no need to 'disclose' it's bloody obvious.

Sometimes women pretend they don't know mostly out of fear and sometimes (if among the fortunate few females that have never experienced male rage or sexual assault) out of kindness to men above women.

LoobiJee · 11/06/2023 11:11

sleepyscientist · 11/06/2023 11:03

In a time when the NHS is struggling beyond belief should gender/sex even be considered is a bigger question. What if the HCP hasn't declared their sex assigned at birth to fellow staff, by forcing them to declare it to patients is outing them.

Personally I don't think gender, race, religion etc should be considered in NHS care. Whoever is the most appropriate HCP provides the care. In time if and when NHS waiting lists have recovered and the service is funded properly then luxuries like this can be considered.

The privacy and dignity of patients is a “luxury” is it?

Which category of humans do you think will be most disadvantaged by deciding sex is irrelevant as a consideration in health care? The category of humans who are the “default human” in research studies and drugs tests? Or the category of human who can end up pregnant after years in hospital in a coma?

LoobiJee · 11/06/2023 11:05

AmuseBish · 11/06/2023 10:28

Another great article from Sonia S, lays out the issues with the guidance clearly.

Lol at Twitter numpty saying "1+1=2 is a law". None of them can ever actually engage, can they? Just fling out insults. It's all they have.

I thought that tweet was in response to the various replies criticising Sonia Sodha, rather than directed at Sonia? It’s difficult to tell with twitter though because of the way replies are listed.

sleepyscientist · 11/06/2023 11:03

In a time when the NHS is struggling beyond belief should gender/sex even be considered is a bigger question. What if the HCP hasn't declared their sex assigned at birth to fellow staff, by forcing them to declare it to patients is outing them.

Personally I don't think gender, race, religion etc should be considered in NHS care. Whoever is the most appropriate HCP provides the care. In time if and when NHS waiting lists have recovered and the service is funded properly then luxuries like this can be considered.

Forwarder · 11/06/2023 10:40

Spot on Sonia Sodha.

Am tempted to open a Twitter account to lend her my support.

AmuseBish · 11/06/2023 10:28

Another great article from Sonia S, lays out the issues with the guidance clearly.

Lol at Twitter numpty saying "1+1=2 is a law". None of them can ever actually engage, can they? Just fling out insults. It's all they have.

LoobiJee · 11/06/2023 09:59

That’s an excellent article.

Isn’t the NHS Confederation itself in effect a lobby group? It’s a membership organisation for NHS bodies.