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Big companies & charities are deleting their offensive tweets recently! This is a positive, the tide is turning.

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Suncreamweather · 10/06/2023 21:21

Oxfam, Innocent Smoothies & drinks, Green Periods & others have deleted offensive tweets in recent days. This really is a positive, the pushback is growing larger & the boycott culture sweeping the USA is definitely growing momentum here as well.
Pride is also toned down with many high street companies & independent companies literally not flying the flag.
Are they finally waking up to the fact that customers will actually take their hard earned cash else where if they don't agree wit the companies "ethics" & "values"?
There is positives & the tide is turning.
Certain newspapers besides the Daily Mail have also woken up & are publishing the facts.

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SidewaysOtter · 13/06/2023 15:51

Pride, which honors the anniversary of the Stonewall riots, an uprising against police violence led by Black trans women.

I can't see that being stated in the Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots , as far as that states and as far as I was aware, the Stonewall Riots were the general gay/LGBT community ("cross-dressers" are referenced but that's got to be viewed in the context of what socially conservative police would have considered as "cross-dressing").

I don't want to see a backlash against LGB people, and I worried at the time that the Bud Light Fiasco etc would give cover to those who want to be openly homophobic. I absolutely do not want to see a return to rampant homophobia (or even latent homophobia). But the TQIAA*!?& hitching themselves onto the LGB, with all the women's rights/safeguarding issues that it that seems to have brought was almost inevitably going to cause a huge problem.

As for influencers finding that their takings are down for June...whatever. I find the whole influencer thing quite distasteful.

MathiasBroucek · 13/06/2023 14:55

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 10/06/2023 22:55

The trouble is that all this stuff throws out genuine and important diversity with the bath water. I am 100% pro LGBT rights and don’t like the backlash, especially in America, against them. Just as the trans movement has destroyed womens spaces and rights, it is destroying important support for LGBT rights.

I had a rather depressing online chat with a TRA a couple of weeks ago. She(?) said that things were getting worse for trans people - I initially sighed but she said it in such a reasonable rather than hysterical tone that I asked her to explain. She said that people are starting to react negatively to trans people due to the current controversy.

Of course this is entirely due to the excesses of many TRAs and the tendency of many politicians to gaslight the legitimite concerns of women. However, I fear some innocent transwomen will be collateral damange

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 13/06/2023 14:50

Parisj · 11/06/2023 00:27

I hate the backlash. Free speech is important and hopefully moderate voices will bring compassion.

Thing is, as regards the trans backlash, 90% of people who are now actively GC (in the UK, at least) started from a position of compassion, and our compassion was weaponised against us - "Enjoy your erasure" and all that.

So most of us aren't particularly interested in demonstrating further compassion now, because the same will happen again.

For most of the general public, they are fed up with the hyperbole and being asked to disbelieve the evidence of their own eyes. There are only so many times you can be told it's literal genocide to deny a male in a dress access to a women's changing room before you get desensitised.

IcakethereforeIam · 13/06/2023 14:35

No you're not wrong. Iirc the Stonewall riots were started by a black lesbian called Storme. The black tw was actually a gay man who wore drag, so not even a transwoman. Although now under the trans umbrella. Read Fred Sergeant's tweets, he was there.

highame · 13/06/2023 14:25

corporations are not always welcome at Pride, which honors the anniversary of the Stonewall riots, an uprising against police violence led by Black trans women. From the Graun article above. I thought this was untrue. Maybe I'm wrong

Beowulfa · 13/06/2023 14:04

I went to the British Library's current exhibition on animals and it was really good. There was a specific section on sexual dimorphism (based on biological reality) and the 3 short films as you exit were all by female artists/scientists.

It's the usual young idiots doing the tweeting.

Suncreamweather · 13/06/2023 14:02

Can we have a month long international women's day next year? We women are now heading into minority territory & need visibility. We got a day this year which was taken over by TRAs.

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EdithStourton · 13/06/2023 13:58

It's bloody hilarious when the bullies start wailing about being bullied.
I haven't read the article, mind you, because the Grain wants me to register, and fuck them.

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itwasntmetho · 11/06/2023 21:06

My local Primark have swapped their 'Found Family' display quite fast.

I've had a SM break though so maybe that's old news.

LonginesPrime · 11/06/2023 20:45

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 10/06/2023 22:55

The trouble is that all this stuff throws out genuine and important diversity with the bath water. I am 100% pro LGBT rights and don’t like the backlash, especially in America, against them. Just as the trans movement has destroyed womens spaces and rights, it is destroying important support for LGBT rights.

Which is mission accomplished for Stonewall - they wanted to have to fight for gay rights all over again to give them a raison d'être and that's exactly what they've achieved.

Suncreamweather · 11/06/2023 00:41

@dcbc1234 some of the comments are just hilarious under the articles on fb.. Telling it exactly how how it is!
But good on those publications, if there is a dm journo lurking on here, keep it lit & keep reporting the hard facts! Same with the Times & Telegraph. The tide has turned it's time to start making waves!

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dcbc1234 · 11/06/2023 00:34

Suncreamweather · 10/06/2023 22:22

Well an email of appreciation should go to the Times, the Telegraph & Daily Mail for publishing the hard truths & the facts.

Yes I no longer resent paying for my Telegraph subscription....everyday there is delightful coverage and the comments are great fun to read as their whole readership seems to have 'peaked'.
Daily Mail were the first to publish and be damned but the Telegraph comes a close second.
'No debate' went on for far too long and it should never have happened in a democracy in the first place.
Too many people were too afraid to speak out common sense and as a result many innocent children (and women) have been harmed.

Parisj · 11/06/2023 00:27

I hate the backlash. Free speech is important and hopefully moderate voices will bring compassion.

CheeseTouch · 10/06/2023 23:26

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 10/06/2023 22:55

The trouble is that all this stuff throws out genuine and important diversity with the bath water. I am 100% pro LGBT rights and don’t like the backlash, especially in America, against them. Just as the trans movement has destroyed womens spaces and rights, it is destroying important support for LGBT rights.

Agreed. It has alienated people who once were natural allies of the community.

gogohmm · 10/06/2023 23:26

I wouldn't hold up any actions in the us as an example, homophobia is still rife outside the big cities and this is the excuse they needed. Baby and bath water seems to be appropriate here, huge difference between protecting the rights of biological women to be safe and a return to the bad old days of homophobia

HatchetJob · 10/06/2023 23:17

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/06/2023 22:33

Trans people are trans because fish can be hermaphrodites.

I'd say ludicrous, rather than offensive. And followed by a classic non-apology, "We were right, but you meanies bullied us". Embarrassing.

but male seahorses give birth?!?

I think they’ve worked out this isn’t the cash cow they thought it might be. There was definitely a market for the ‘pink pound’ especially gay men, often 2 men with no children and professional wages. Trans not so much. Woke 20 year olds and middle aged men in dresses (probably divorced) are not a major spending demographic.
I was in Tesco today, lots of Pride stuff available. It was in quite a rough area in a north east town, I can’t imagine it’s much of a seller.

Suncreamweather · 10/06/2023 23:07

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/06/2023 23:03

I agree as regards lesbians, who can't win, either way. I have to say that I struggle to care too much about gay men as a class, having seen how they gleefully threw women, especially lesbians, under the bus for gender ideology. Not all gay men of course -there have been some brave exceptions. But there have also been many who were, and are, cheerleaders for TRA attempts to erase women's rights.

Unfortunately, there is a deeply misogynistic strain of gay culture (though I am not suggesting for a moment that all gay men support it.) Any gay man who was OK with Michfest, and other lesbian sex-segregated activities, being shut down, can suck up all the backlash coming his way, as far as I'm concerned.

In reality, though, I recognise that the backlash will also affect women and non-misogynistic gay and bi men, and I am sorry about that.

It's awful for lesbians.

I think the tide will turn & the lgb breakaway will happen when gay men fully feel the affects the way lesbians currently are.

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Suncreamweather · 10/06/2023 23:04

MmmmSandwiches · 10/06/2023 23:01

Hurrah! Perhaps companies like these are finally learning the meaning of go woke, go broke!

Profit before pride....

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/06/2023 23:03

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 10/06/2023 22:55

The trouble is that all this stuff throws out genuine and important diversity with the bath water. I am 100% pro LGBT rights and don’t like the backlash, especially in America, against them. Just as the trans movement has destroyed womens spaces and rights, it is destroying important support for LGBT rights.

I agree as regards lesbians, who can't win, either way. I have to say that I struggle to care too much about gay men as a class, having seen how they gleefully threw women, especially lesbians, under the bus for gender ideology. Not all gay men of course -there have been some brave exceptions. But there have also been many who were, and are, cheerleaders for TRA attempts to erase women's rights.

Unfortunately, there is a deeply misogynistic strain of gay culture (though I am not suggesting for a moment that all gay men support it.) Any gay man who was OK with Michfest, and other lesbian sex-segregated activities, being shut down, can suck up all the backlash coming his way, as far as I'm concerned.

In reality, though, I recognise that the backlash will also affect women and non-misogynistic gay and bi men, and I am sorry about that.

MmmmSandwiches · 10/06/2023 23:01

Hurrah! Perhaps companies like these are finally learning the meaning of go woke, go broke!

Suncreamweather · 10/06/2023 22:59

@WorkingItOutAsIGo big time. But now is absolutely the time for lgb to break away fully from the tqs. Very difficult but it needs to happen.

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GailBlancheViola · 10/06/2023 22:57

Just as the trans movement has destroyed womens spaces and rights, it is destroying important support for LGBT rights.

That was warned and warned and warned about but ignored.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 10/06/2023 22:55

The trouble is that all this stuff throws out genuine and important diversity with the bath water. I am 100% pro LGBT rights and don’t like the backlash, especially in America, against them. Just as the trans movement has destroyed womens spaces and rights, it is destroying important support for LGBT rights.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/06/2023 22:45

GailBlancheViola · 10/06/2023 22:38

Back to the fish argument thought that had been debunked enough long ago. Pathetic.

It was pointed out to them that fish are not humans. With similar responses to the equally ridiculous comparisons being drawn between crocodiles and trans people.

Big companies & charities are deleting their offensive tweets recently! This is a positive, the tide is turning.