Girl Guides to sell off 5 activity centres.

@Pluvia has guiding gone woke? Scouts etc? My dc don't go to either.
I wouldn't let my dd go if there was a chance she would be sharing overnight accommodation & facilities with a boy. She would not feel remotely comfortable in that position.

I think if Brownies/Guides had always had the same activities/badges as Cubs/Scouts there wouldn't be such a problem. I don't know much about the current situation but when I was a B/GG 30-40 years ago we had badges like Homemaker etc, while the Scouts seemed to have stuff involving knives and fires (not just for cooking).

Girls couldn't join Cubs/BS in those days but I'd have loved to join Scouts as I was really outdoorsy and hated all the twee stuff we had to do in Guides (Our Guider was a Home Ec teacher).

Allowing Transgirls to join was the nail in the coffin.

@Pluvia

I doubt it, or rather I went to blacklands farm and scouts used it too, we snuck out and went and drank cider

I suspect from the pictures, they are being honest about the upgrade work needed, nobody would accept what we put up with, chemical loos and no showers - from the pictures the buildings look the same too

I also don't think many girls are as interested any more. There are so many after school and holiday clubs devoted to dancing and performance now, particularly aimed at girls. Or all the girls go so their friends do too.

My local cub unit is now half girls. But I also wonder if that's also as there's a lack of brownies.

Guides locally are brilliant. Not fancy, not high flying, just good, well supported, inclusive, fun activities for girls. Embedded in the local community. Good people.

Foxlease and the other centres are held in trust by the current trustees for Guiding, both nationally and internationally. What they are doing to the singie-sex, girl and women-focused movement of which I was once proud to be a member, is a disgrace.

Their programme is pants. Whereas the Scout section programmes aim to challenge and to coax children out of their comfort zones, the Guide programme panders to and reinforces horrible gender stereotypes. The hard Camper badge and Camp Permit that I worked hard for in the 80s, have gone. But there was a Chocolate badge offered to DD. She left, and went to Scouts. Where the leaders stick to tradition, and quietly ignore the edicts from on high, units still flourish. But in our city Guiding is dying on its arse because it is just so damn wet. The ludicrous trans policy is part and parcel of their embrace of stereotypes.

It’s financial mismanagement, not enough in the pension fund apparently

This has been on the cards for years, nowt to do with their "inclusive" policies as such. GG owns assets potentially worth millions to land developers. Who is getting the money indeed....

Or is it because of a lack of adult volunteers willing to give up their own time with little thanks from parents who treat them as unpaid childcare?

As much as I agree the guides have fucked up over their trans inclusive policies I was recently told they've been loosing money for a long time. And more when girls could join scouting. That was the view of a long term guide leader.

She said scouting has always had loads of money compared to them.

I must say there are cub and scout troops all over the place locally but very few brownies and guides.

And who is going to end up with the money?

Scouts had to sell a chunk of real estate after Covid as well... it looks like its financial trouble.

Its a shame. More than a shame. Guides are still important to so many girls. At grassroots level most girls ate still getting the single sex experience.

I do think Guiding has lost its way... not just the Transgender issue, but with programming etc. Plus the Volunteer model is struggling everywhere not just guides.

Maybe they were done for false advertising - using the term "girls"...

Jesus, they just shut down girl guiding over seas.... Wtf is going on???

Agree with this

Sadly, guiding is over. Because - 100 years on from the Suffragettes - girls are no longer allowed to have anything of their own. So progressive.

I suspect so. No tears to shed for these treacherous idiots.

Would this be because parents have discouraged their girls from staying at activity centres where they may be expected to share a room with boys who identify as girls, do you think? Or have people walked away from guiding because of its wokeness? Is it another case of go woke, go broke?