Data on violence against trans people & women

No, because - as has been repeatedly pointed out to you - hate crime statistics don't treat crimes against women as hate crimes.

Ummm ok
England by sex
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-trans-crime-statistics-grc-birth-sex-b2056345.html
Scotland by gender
https://theferret.scot/trans-victims-of-crime-still-self-id-home-office/

As I said there is NO consistent way in which gender identity is recorded by police.

There is only male or female. And there is no way to tell who is transgender and who isn’t because gender & sex are not collected separately by any police force.

The ONS hate crime statistics and please read the report to learn the definition, there is only one definition of a hate crime.

How about you tell us the definition you are using? Or link to it? There is not only one definition of "hate speech" which can be considered a crime. It's vague and catch all.

I think this whole conversation can be boiled down to the statement that if transwomen feel vulnerable to male, then that is a male violence problem that men need to fix. I don't see why women have to be made to be human shields for transwomen - they're already fighting their own fight against male violence.

Because the author’s research consisted of “As far as I know”

Zero searches of databases. Zero requests for data from ONS/police. Zero searches of homicide victims and zero interviews with family members,

Nope, it’s those that I happen to have heard about and remember- “as far as I know”

There have been FOIs to police services which have replied with the exact opposite. Please evidence your view.

No our police do not. The guidance says they have to record victim by sex, not gender.

Why not?

😂 those aren’t reliable statistics.

Where do you think official statistics on the transgender status of homicide victims are recorded?

The TDOR figures are reported by people who knew the victims. Our police mostly have a policy of recording by "gender" rather than sex, or are you suggesting that the "trans status" of murder victims may be entirely secret?

We are included in the average of all people,
We are included in hate crime statistics when we are victims due to race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity and so on.

Your constant comment makes no sense. The hate crime statistics show transgender people are at more risk than the average person. Full stop.

They do not show if transgender people are at higher risk or lower risk or same risk as women.

But it IS evidence that transgender people are vulnerable to violence.

And sex offenders are famously deterred by ‘taboo’ 🙄

https://kareningalasmith.com/2021/04/21/counting-dead-trans-people/

In the UK, women are not included in hate crime stats.

Indeed. If the same kind of behaviour towards women was treated as hate crime, the picture would be different.

No we don’t.

Where do you think official statistics on the transgender status of homicide victims are recorded?

So we know how many women are killed each year and how many men.

We have no reliable stats on how many of them are transgender.

The ONS hate crime statistics and please read the report to learn the definition, there is only one definition of a hate crime. It’s not unpleasant tweets or disagreements on ideology.

The comparison between a group of males, and women, is a false comparison. Are MTF trans people more at risk than other males? No.

In the UK, women are not included in hate crime stats.

We do, however, have cast iron data that men who identify as women are far more likely to be incarcerated for sexual offences than other males, let alone women.

Red herring and irrelevant to rates of being a victim of violence.

Also just like arguing that Black people cant possibly be more likely to be murdered because they are an over-represented demographic in prison. When we know both are true and the second is influenced by systemic racism.

Yes there is. The hate crime statistics show that they are.

Which ones? What's the definition of "hate crime" being used? Because as we know, it can included having to see unpleasant tweets or hear people disagree with your personal ideology.

Trans women were between three and four times more likely than cisgender women to experience violent crime.

We're specifically talking about murder. Also I presume you have the comparison figures with other males? They aren't the same sex category as "cisgender women" so violence patterns are different.

In my exploration of US murder data year on year, MTF trans people are at considerably less risk of being murdered than other members of their sex and race. The highest homicide rate is black men, by some way. MTF trans people who are murdered are significantly likely to be black. White murders are rare. But statistically this group of black male people are less likely to be murdered than black male people as a group.

Hate crime statistics track demographics that are particularly vulnerable to violence due to systemic discrimination. As in more vulnerable than the average of all people, which includes women.

This is a red herring. The old societal consensus, that men shouldn’t enter female spaces such as women’s toilets, didn’t depend much on men being challenged. It depended on the societal norm, which meant that for almost all men there was a strong taboo against entering those spaces. This taboo has been weakened significantly, and on the part of queer theorists that weakening has been deliberate. It remains to be seen whether the taboo will strengthen again, but for it to do so will require “progressives” to reconsider, this time bearing in mind the needs of women as well as transwomen.

No we don’t because the gender identity of homicide victims is not consistently recorded.

Yes there is. The hate crime statistics show that they are.