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Anyone see this in the Guardian today?

35 replies

Whyjustwhy123 · 10/06/2023 08:41

Guardian ‘govt fanning fear on free speech’

Interesting that he’s not at all interested in how the history of women’s fight for rights is being eroded.

Also interesting that trans are on the receiving end of misogyny. unless he’s referring to trans men.

Government ‘fanning culture war’ over free speech, says UK’s first LGBTQ+ history professor

Issue blown out of proportion, says Matt Cook, days after appointment of a ‘free speech tsar’ for higher education

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jun/10/government-fanning-culture-war-over-free-speech-says-uks-first-lgbtq-history-professor

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Whyjustwhy123 · 10/06/2023 09:52

@BaronMunchausen I guess good old fashioned women’s misogyny is a bit dull.

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BaronMunchausen · 10/06/2023 09:49

@Whyjustwhy123 Also interesting that trans are on the receiving end of misogyny. unless he’s referring to trans men.

I suspect he's referring to transwomen. Even 'misogyny' has been annexed. It's the new 'misandry'.

Boiledbeetle · 10/06/2023 09:45

“Of course there’s protests about certain people speaking and there has been historically, about figures as diverse as David Icke and Enoch Powell, and that’s right,” he said.

“But these people still spoke in university contexts, despite the protests and despite the calls for people not to speak in university forums. It’s only a tiny fraction of cases where people actually don’t speak.

“So my sense is that it’s not a huge problem. I think the issue has been blown out of proportion. I also think there’s some political expediency in this. It’s a way of fanning a culture war. I don’t think we need additional protections for free speech in the university. Free speech is pretty alive and well.”

Only a tiny fraction that don't get to speak! It's not a huge problem

Well that's OK then. I wonder what that tiny fraction of those that don't get to speak have in common these days. And it is a huge problem when free speech starts to get closed down, even a little bit!

BaronMunchausen · 10/06/2023 09:44

Half of the Guardian's front page today is taken up by a photo of American actor Elliot Page. They have previously used Page to convince their readers of the wonders of "top surgery", and this over-long article full of personal detail carries on the good work. Not all the personal detail is trivial - Page's experience of sexual abuse (sex-based of course) is significant.

DeanElderberry · 10/06/2023 09:30

D notices, bans on broadcasting representatives of some groups. It is all pervasive.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 10/06/2023 09:28

I saw this post had been appointed a few days ago. I’m sure Oxford are hoping he’ll put a stop to anyone like Kathleen stock visiting again

Ramblingnamechanger · 10/06/2023 09:28

On Newsnight BBC2 on 9 June the Tory MP set up to talk about Johnson’s resignation against Emily Thornberry on screen was discussing Starmers failings and more or less got the last word in when he said that he Starmer didn’t even know whether women have a Willy. Priceless.

RealityFan · 10/06/2023 09:25

"newly created post", yep, this sums it all up. Another "job for the non-girls".

AmuseBish · 10/06/2023 09:24

Yes, our libel laws are pretty hardcore, with libel tourism etc - I got interested in it with the Simon Singh case.

I strongly believe that if you print something it should be true, but the costs of proving this if you're accused of libel are crazy (and why people sue as a punishment).

DeanElderberry · 10/06/2023 09:21

Anyone who imagines there is or ever has been any right to free speech in Britain or in Ireland is an idiot who has paid very little attention to the world around them. A key difference with America.