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Anti-women Response from Caroline Lucas re: equality act

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greenpartyshame · 07/06/2023 18:02

Caroline Lucas is my MP, sadly (I did not used to think that). I wrote to her requesting that she support the clarification that 'sex' in the equality act refers to biological sex. Her response is disgusting and shameful and I will be telling her so. Anyone who votes for that party now is casting a vote against women. I'll post her full response.

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nilsmousehammer · 07/06/2023 20:05

The whole whining about 'you think they're a threat when they're lovely' (apart from the ones waving swords, sticking used tampons up their bums, taking selfies of their excitement with women in a loo <gibber> and videoing themselves wanking in cubicles when excitement gets overwhelming) totally avoids the bigger point.

It doesn't matter how lovely a male is. Some females have to walk out when they enter because they cannot use a mixed sex space

So if you're behind men using their preferred, happy choice that affirms their inner selves, you believe fuck inclusion, diversity and equality for women so menz can get nice self affirmation. That some women should have nothing so that men get choice,

No male walking into a women's space is 'lovely' when they are consciously excluding women and telling them they don't matter because lesser humans.

And that way bloody madness lies. And she'd only better hope that someone nastier than she is stupid uses her propped up 'some people are subhuman and that's ok' against people she cares about in the future. Because she'll only have hope, she'll have fucked the mechanisms that ensured this couldn't happen. Hoist by own petard will come.

FictionalCharacter · 07/06/2023 19:58

I'd love to see the evidence for this
trans people are often subject to serious employment or other discrimination, ridicule, harassment and hate crime
In many workplaces these days, this population is the most protected of all, even to the extent that we're encouraged to go on courses on "how to be an ally".
I've never in my life seen a course on how to be an ally to disabled people.

WomanIsEnough · 07/06/2023 19:56

I joined the Green Party to be able to vote internally on this issue a few years back (unwaged so I felt they weren’t getting much money out of me) as I’d really like an environmental political group that actually campaigned on environmental issues. But feeling like there really is no point doing that as they are so hateful and single minded (which would be fine if it was single minded on green issues). Is there anyone still a member that can convince me there’s a point to remaining?

dropthevipers · 07/06/2023 19:51

dropthevipers · 07/06/2023 19:51

What makes you think lucks has a brain?

Lucas

dropthevipers · 07/06/2023 19:51

Hagosaurus · 07/06/2023 18:54

Wow greenoartyshame, that was extremely quick - almost like BB is watching….

Re Caroline Lucas, I hope that one day she’ll engage her brain

What makes you think lucks has a brain?

HadEnoughSoTired · 07/06/2023 19:50

@greenpartyshame thanks for trying, and I particularly liked your response. They really have no clue that gender and sex mean different things now and should no longer be used for the same thing. And yes, I'm peed off at being lumped with cis women. I'm not a fucking subset.

SueVineer · 07/06/2023 19:45

Excellent response- what a disgrace she is. So keen to throw women under the bus that she won’t even properly examine the issue. Trans people have protection from discrimination under the gender reassignment category- why do they need to destroy women’s rights too?

SunnyEgg · 07/06/2023 19:43

I missed the ‘cis’

Probably a good thing

How can any MP write this stuff

EpicChaos · 07/06/2023 19:39

I should make clear because i didn't do so in my previous post, that i don't regard the challenor fiasco as being CL's fault, or the tribunal case, i just meant those things were symptomatic of the Green party's views on the matter in general and should be a massive red flag to anyone considering voting for them, regardless of constituency.

ArabeIIaScott · 07/06/2023 19:37

Oh, fuck off, Caroline.

EpicChaos · 07/06/2023 19:35

I always did have her down as someone with a head full of sawdust!
I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised by her views tbh, don't forget the whole thing with the Challenors, plus there's that current case going on through the tribunal? I've never been to her neck of the woods but i'd bet a quid it's full of the blue haired mob.

trythisforsize · 07/06/2023 19:32

I cancelled my Green Party membership 3 years ago because of their TWAW mantra and I also stopped voting for them in local and general elections.

I take huge offence at being called 'cis'.

The Green Party are toast.

JulieHoney · 07/06/2023 19:20

IamRoyFuckingKent · 07/06/2023 19:12

Well she can fuck the fuck off and when she gets there she can fuck off some more

Beautifully put, Mr Kent.

OvaHere · 07/06/2023 19:18

Useless woman.

IamRoyFuckingKent · 07/06/2023 19:12

Well she can fuck the fuck off and when she gets there she can fuck off some more

BloodyHellKen · 07/06/2023 19:10

I also note that being trans does not make someone a threat to others

That's correct Caroline. Also being male does not make someone a threat to women but because some males are a threat to women it is important that women have single sex places. Do you see where this is going Caroline......it's not about thinking all trans women are a threat to women (and children), it's acknowledging that some are, so women need safe, single sex spaces.

And this is why I don't vote Green, Lib Dem, Labour anymore.

Hagosaurus · 07/06/2023 19:09

YinYogi yes they have. Providing additional rights for transwomen (at the expense of women) even seems to take a higher priority than protecting the environment…

YinYogi · 07/06/2023 19:06

The Greens have completely lost their way.

Caroline Lucas should be ashamed of herself. A complete and utter sellout.

greenpartyshame · 07/06/2023 19:02

greenpartyshame · 07/06/2023 19:01

No! Not using the T I M 'slur' (or fact depending on whether you believe in biology or not!

Oh it's back now - very weird!

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greenpartyshame · 07/06/2023 19:01

Vesuviusbeats · 07/06/2023 18:49

You didn't mention a word that rhymes with 'pult', did you?

No! Not using the T I M 'slur' (or fact depending on whether you believe in biology or not!

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FemaleAndLearning · 07/06/2023 19:01

I think Monday is going to very interesting. I suspect the debate will have far more like Lucas who just can't consider women and our rights. Disgraceful.

Hagosaurus · 07/06/2023 18:54

Wow greenoartyshame, that was extremely quick - almost like BB is watching….

Re Caroline Lucas, I hope that one day she’ll engage her brain

Kennykenkencat · 07/06/2023 18:54

Why the need to say Cis Women when the word women was all that was needed.

Or can we no longer be referred to as women anymore.

Vesuviusbeats · 07/06/2023 18:49

greenpartyshame · 07/06/2023 18:46

How did a post get hidden the second I posted it? What AI censorship is this?

You didn't mention a word that rhymes with 'pult', did you?

greenpartyshame · 07/06/2023 18:47

This was my reply:

Dear Caroline

I won’t be disappointed if you can’t make the debate on the 12th June. I don’t think women need more people campaigning against them.

The equality act already – and rightly – protects the rights of transgender people so it’s not clear why you think biological sex should not also be clearly protected. I do not believe that being trans makes someone a threat. I do, however, believe that it does not make them change sex. Spaces should only be segregated when there is a compelling reason to do so. However, when there is if segregation is not meaningful, it cannot protect women.

I believe you are right that trans people are often subject to serious employment or other discrimination, ridicule, harassment and hate crime. There are already mechanisms in place to protect trans people. There are currently, however, no mechanisms in place to protect women who are also often subject to discrimination, hate crime, harassment and ridicule. It is disappointing to hear that you are happy with that lack of protection for women.

Your concern for transmen potentially having to use women’s spaces is not matched by any concern for women having to share those spaces with transwomen. This is of particular concern in the modern era when a transwoman can be a fully intact male, dressed in the usual (for most people nowadays) gender-neutral clothing of jeans and a shirt and with a beard. Many transwomen take no hormones and have no surgery and indeed should not be required to so consider themselves trans. You condemn women to sharing their intimate spaces with a person who appears, in every sense, to be like every other male. Have you found out from women whether it is more distressing to them to share their spaces with a transman or a transwoman or have you just assumed that women should budge over and prioritise the needs of others?

I disagree with this “the EHRC Chair appears not to have considered the extensive negative ramifications of their position, including that trans people would no longer have legal assurance of being treated as the correct gender”. Spaces are, and have never been, segregated by gender. Given the array of gender identities that there are, this clearly is not a feasible position. They are segregated by biological sex.

Whilst you say that you “I remain of the view that it is both necessary and possible to promote and protect improved trans people’s rights, whilst at the same time defending and advancing hard won women’s rights”, your statements do not defend women’s rights. As an example of the regression of women’s rights which you support, this happened in your constituency and on your watch: www.crowdjustice.com/case/help-sarahs-legal-challenge/
No friend to women would support Sarah being treated in this way.

Finally, I would ask that you show a great deal more respect than your current categorisation of women as either trans or cis does. Cis does not mean ‘not trans’: it means people who identify as the sex they were born (see Stonewall definitions). Like many women, I do not have a gender identity. I consider myself a woman only because that is what we call adult human females – people with my biology who are over the age of majority. This means my gender cannot match my sex. To call me cis is to mis-gender me. I am an agender biological female.

I will not be voting for you again and to the best of my ability, I will be ensuring that other people who support women’s rights in your constituency are aware that you are supporting moves which will potentially require, for example, a sexual abuse survivor, to be required to share a two-person hospital ward with a fully intact biological male in order to access any healthcare, or to share a prison cell, or a ‘female only’ rape crisis centre.

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