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Fuck Oxfam

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DismantledKing · 05/06/2023 21:55

Anyone seen the tweet by Maya tonight about this little animation by Oxfam? Here’s the link:

https://twitter.com/mforstater/status/1665817901327085568?s=46&t=U7-xooKExwmFQ8mivn72lw

as I said, fuck Oxfam.

Fuck Oxfam
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NotTerfNorCis · 06/06/2023 20:44

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:42

I understand most (not all) posters on this board have gender critical views similar to those of Ms Rowling?

Yes, most people on the feminism board are feminists.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:42

Zita60 · 06/06/2023 20:39

No, we're not seeing a reflection of ourselves. We're seeing a likeness between this hideous caricature and a certain photo of JKR.

I understand most (not all) posters on this board have gender critical views similar to those of Ms Rowling?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 06/06/2023 20:40

frankly at this point if JKR put them out of business she would be making women and girls safer. stopping them from sending other rapists to disaster zones seems like a good thing

Zita60 · 06/06/2023 20:39

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:25

From what I've seen, the only people claiming the "TERF" woman in the cartoon is JK Rowling are gender criticals.

Oxfam have said the mean-looking characters aren't based on any real people so if gender criticals are looking at it and seeing a reflection of themselves, well, ...

No, we're not seeing a reflection of ourselves. We're seeing a likeness between this hideous caricature and a certain photo of JKR.

Catiette · 06/06/2023 20:37

Haven't read the full thread, but have emailed to complain. Awful.

Clymene · 06/06/2023 20:36

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:32

So what now? Is rich JK Rowling going to sue a charity that helps poor people in 3rd world countries over a cartoon that vaguely resembles her likeness? That'll do wonders for her PR /s

Even if hypothetically Oxfam said it really was her, would she have any case? Look at all the political cartoons in newspapers that take the piss out of politicians and celebs for example.

Fixed it for you

So what now? Is rich JK Rowling going to sue a charity that rapes poor girls in 3rd world countries over a cartoon that vaguely resembles her likeness? That'll do wonders for her PR /s

OCarumba · 06/06/2023 20:33

TrainedByCats · 05/06/2023 22:00

Wow isn’t this is the charity where their male aid workers were forcing women needing support in Haiti into prostitution

Yup!

Supersimkin2 · 06/06/2023 20:32

MRA think they’re the only real people.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:32

So what now? Is rich JK Rowling going to sue a charity that helps poor people in 3rd world countries over a cartoon that vaguely resembles her likeness? That'll do wonders for her PR /s

Even if hypothetically Oxfam said it really was her, would she have any case? Look at all the political cartoons in newspapers that take the piss out of politicians and celebs for example.

Clymene · 06/06/2023 20:31

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:25

From what I've seen, the only people claiming the "TERF" woman in the cartoon is JK Rowling are gender criticals.

Oxfam have said the mean-looking characters aren't based on any real people so if gender criticals are looking at it and seeing a reflection of themselves, well, ...

Can you please stop referring to women you don't like as gender criticals. You can call us GC women or GC people but please don't take the noun out. It's dehumanising.

As to your other point, we'll colour me shocked. I wasn't expecting washed up hasbeen Billy Bragg to suddenly recognise that it was a horrible caricature.

I've noticed a lot of people are absolutely fine with the clearly racist drawings of the men who flank her too. Do you have anything to say about that or is that 👍 with you. I expect they deserve it, sitting near a horrid TERF.

NecessaryScene · 06/06/2023 20:30

Oh, right, yes. Fuck Merlin while we're at it. I guess we did forget to mention that. (Although it really should go without saying.)

Ever considered a top charity role, Merl? You'd fit in perfectly here, and the opportunities would suit you.

Hoppinggreen · 06/06/2023 20:29

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:25

From what I've seen, the only people claiming the "TERF" woman in the cartoon is JK Rowling are gender criticals.

Oxfam have said the mean-looking characters aren't based on any real people so if gender criticals are looking at it and seeing a reflection of themselves, well, ...

Well of course Oxfam are completely trustworthy and we should believe everything that they say.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:25

From what I've seen, the only people claiming the "TERF" woman in the cartoon is JK Rowling are gender criticals.

Oxfam have said the mean-looking characters aren't based on any real people so if gender criticals are looking at it and seeing a reflection of themselves, well, ...

FromAMNtter · 06/06/2023 20:14

It is frustrating but the only protected characteristic it falls under is Religion or Belief

Fuck Oxfam
WhiteFire · 06/06/2023 20:03

FromAMNtter · 06/06/2023 19:39

It has to be framed as a belief to fall within the wording of the Equality Act and so be protected.

Well that's just bloody ridiculous. Veganism is a belief, that the world is round is a fact, humans can't change sex is also a fact.

What a time to be alive that the latter has to be protected as a belief.

Abhannmor · 06/06/2023 19:52

Haven't watched the animation but the image is a bit messy and confusing.

Except a white woman is scowling , front and centre with a helpful badge. Oxfam and Amnesty - how are the mighty fallen . So far and so fast.

IwantToRetire · 06/06/2023 19:48

I liked the Times article, I thought it was clear, and articulate.

Well as it read like it was based on this thread of course it was!

FromAMNtter · 06/06/2023 19:39

WhiteFire · 06/06/2023 19:35

Though I'm not sure it is really a 'belief' that humans can't change sex.

It has to be framed as a belief to fall within the wording of the Equality Act and so be protected.

WhiteFire · 06/06/2023 19:39

spiderplantparty · 06/06/2023 19:37

That advertising campaign is dreadful. I wonder how many people were aware of it before it went live? To think that no one paused to think whether or not it was appropriate is awful.

Time after time after time we are shown that they simply do not think, well not outside the correct thought charter.

spiderplantparty · 06/06/2023 19:37

That advertising campaign is dreadful. I wonder how many people were aware of it before it went live? To think that no one paused to think whether or not it was appropriate is awful.

WhiteFire · 06/06/2023 19:35

Vebrithien · 06/06/2023 19:23

I liked the Times article, I thought it was clear, and articulate.

Though I'm not sure it is really a 'belief' that humans can't change sex.

Chersfrozenface · 06/06/2023 19:34

I wonder whether versions of the story will be in the print editions of the Mail, Telegraph and Times. And how many of the volunteers in Oxfam shops read those papers.

Vebrithien · 06/06/2023 19:23

I liked the Times article, I thought it was clear, and articulate.

IwantToRetire · 06/06/2023 19:02

The way Maria was treated.

And what's so frightening is knowing that there are other Marias, not just in Oxfam but else where.

And people (in the media) are going on about how nobody is really cancelled showing that they dont understand how wide spread the culture is now and some women are having to chose between speaking openly and keeping their job.

Croneofakind · 06/06/2023 18:59

ResisterRex · 05/06/2023 22:25

Oxfam is a lost cause. This was June 2021:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/09/oxfam-training-guide-blames-privileged-white-women-root-causes/

"An Oxfam staff training document says “privileged white women” are supporting the root causes of sexual violence by wanting "bad men" imprisoned.
In the wake of sex scandals that have rocked the charity, Oxfam has produced guidance which states that: “Mainstream feminism centres on privileged white women and demands that ‘bad men’ be fired or imprisoned”.
Accompanied by a cartoon of a crying white woman, it adds that this “legitimises criminal punishment, harming black and other marginalised people”.
It advises staff to read a controversial book which concludes: “Mainstream feminism is supporting, not undoing, the root causes of sexual violence.”
Oxfam said that the training was voluntary, and the views are not presented as its own but designed to help staff understand the issues.
However, the charity was warned on Wednesday night that the document, compiled by its LGBT network and seen by The Telegraph, could breach equality laws as it suggests reporting rape is "contemptible".
The four-week “learning journey” recommends that staff read Me Not You: The Trouble with Mainstream Feminism, a book by Alison Phipps, a professor of gender studies at the University of Sussex.
Summarising the book’s central premise, the Oxfam document says white feminists need to ask themselves whether they are causing harm when they fight sexual violence.
It then links to Prof Phipps’s Twitter account and a thread which summarises the main themes of the book, including: “White feminist tears deploy white woundedness, and the sympathy it generates, to hide the harms we perpetuate through white supremacy.”
Naomi Cunningham, a discrimination and employment law barrister, says the document may breach the Equality Actt_, which bans harassment in the workplace on the basis of sex.
“The message seems to be that a woman who reports a rape or sexual assault to the police and presses charges is a contemptible ‘white feminist’,” said Ms Cunningham. “I think any woman could make an arguable case that this has created or contributed to ‘an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment’, which is how the Equality Act defines harassment.”
Learning About Trans Rights and Inclusion was drawn up in 2020, whilst Oxfam was still reeling from sexual exploitation scandals in Haiti and Chad.
The charity suffered further blows in April this year, when a female aid worker quit alleging that there was a “toxic culture” and her sexual harassment complaint had been ignored, and it faced separate allegations of sexual misconduct in the Democratic Republic of Congo."

It doesn't happen often but I am speechless with disbelief at what I just read. I knew oxfam was morally bankrupt but jeez 😨