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Fuck Oxfam

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DismantledKing · 05/06/2023 21:55

Anyone seen the tweet by Maya tonight about this little animation by Oxfam? Here’s the link:

https://twitter.com/mforstater/status/1665817901327085568?s=46&t=U7-xooKExwmFQ8mivn72lw

as I said, fuck Oxfam.

Fuck Oxfam
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ScrollingLeaves · 07/06/2023 11:47

TrainedByCats · Today 09:17
Brilliantly put Shazia more eloquently than I could

What @mommyisbest said was so brilliantly put that it would be good if some politicians could see it. They might finally understand.

Chersfrozenface · 07/06/2023 11:36

Today I bought the Times and the Mail to see what was in the print editions. As I have already said, I think many of Oxfam's volunteers read physical papers so I was interested in what was in them as well as on the websites.

The Mail had a double page spread, pp 10 and 11, headlined "Fury over Oxfam slur on Rowling" including Julie Bindel's Commentary piece and an inset on previous Oxfam scandals.

The Times has two thirds of a page, p 11, headlined "Oxfam 'depicts JK Rowling as hate figure' in LGBT cartoon".

ValerieDoonican · 07/06/2023 11:15

@Theeyeballsinthesky God absolutely. It's just staggering. I guess the board who appointed him were in full "are we woke enough??" cringe mode. Or perhaps they were already on board with the whole "nasty complaining Karens vs the truly oppressed" agenda.

NoNintendoNinja · 07/06/2023 11:13

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 06/06/2023 09:42

When you blame women (white, or otherwise) for violence committed by men, while ignoring the men committing the actual violence, you are - as an organisation - enabling rape and paedophilia.

When you produce material aimed at shaming and silencing older women who speak up for the safeguarding of girls and of all gender non-conforming kids, you are - as an organisation - enabling rape and paedophilia.

When you force out a woman who questions your policies, and whip up a mob of her colleagues to bully her, you are silencing freedom of expression and enabling abuses of all kinds, including rape and paedophilia.

This. Oxfam is a great case study of an organization that has institutionalized misogyny.

ChristinaXYZ · 07/06/2023 10:53

Datun · 07/06/2023 00:14

Can I ask, do you get the impression that they just blundered in in a sort of virtue signalling way and kind of wish they hadn't?

Or are they more committed than that?

Miranda Yardley shared an internal email that had been sent to Oxfam staff that very much shows that any apology is not very sincere. They apologise to distressed trans staff but not to GC staff and/or women.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 07/06/2023 10:52

MerlinsLostMarbles · 06/06/2023 20:32

So what now? Is rich JK Rowling going to sue a charity that helps poor people in 3rd world countries over a cartoon that vaguely resembles her likeness? That'll do wonders for her PR /s

Even if hypothetically Oxfam said it really was her, would she have any case? Look at all the political cartoons in newspapers that take the piss out of politicians and celebs for example.

I have no idea if jkr is going to sue, it doesn't strike me as a thing she would do lightly.

You obviously don't know law.
Newspapers satirising celebs and MPs is vastly different to charities using your satirised image to get donations. and look woke

Probably you need to read up on different laws before spouting rubbish

endofthelinefinally · 07/06/2023 10:46

I agree about where does the money come from. I think that is something worth uncovering if anyone can do it.

GailBlancheViola · 07/06/2023 10:34

mommyisbest · 06/06/2023 23:31

I’m a British Pakistani Muslim woman. I give to Oxfam and endeavour to make donations to Oxfam as well as shop at my local store in preference to other charity shops. I have a strong affinity to Oxfam because of its history of identifying need and tackling it.

I will no longer be supporting you. You have allowed your charitable purpose to be hijacked. What kept me loyal to Oxfam despite recent difficulties is that it is a charity that finds what needs to be done and seeks solutions without fear or favour. There is no scope for ideology in this. Everyone who is needy benefits. No questions are asked about people’s religious or political affiliation.

As a minority- ethnically and religiously- I depend on pluralism in order to express my culture and my religious beliefs. I don’t require anyone to validate my beliefs. I just need society to accept that I have my own beliefs. I don’t need anyone to say Salaam to me or call me sister and I don’t impose this on anyone. By the same token I don’t want to be forced to validate other people by modifying language to include concepts I don’t accept ie describing myself as cis or finding which pronoun suits me based on my sexuality or masculine/feminine leanings.

In discouraging the use of words such as male or female, modifying expressions that reference human biology, replacing one word for another such as prostitution for sex worker, you have pursued an ideological agenda which has nothing to do with your purpose or aims.

You have decided to champion that ideology in favour of other ideologies. When challenged on your dogmatic stance you have taken an unpluralist view by stating that it is the best ideology as it is, in your view, the most inclusive.

In saying this you disregard most people in the world who come from collectivist cultures where identity stems from family and community and not from Western notions of individualism where identify stems from pronouns or sexual orientation or gender identity.

That is not to say that collectivist cultures do not have active and vibrant LGBT people. But they are not asserting this in the same way and never have. To see all these LGBT people in such a monolithic way is to reduce and simplify even those people you think you are including. This is a form of cultural imperialism. Other countries have strong LGBT heritage and it’s not the same as yours.

Your latest attempt at evangelising, has led you to depict those of a different ideology (who believe biology is more important than socially constructed gender) as ugly, older women termed TERFS. Where will you go next? Will you depict Muslims similarly after all the Quran does not mention gender identity once? If you are to be consistent I don’t see that you have any choice.

For all these reasons I won’t have anything more to do with you.
Shazia

An excellent post, thank you.

TheBiologyStupid · 07/06/2023 10:10

dimorphism · 07/06/2023 09:03

Nominative determinism in action there....

You beat me to it!

ILikeDungs · 07/06/2023 10:07

I am many pages behind on this thread, but has BBC R4 spoken about this at all? Just heard it mentioned on Times radio

BaronMunchausen · 07/06/2023 09:42

Not sure why Oxfam parted with an unknown (?) amount of donor cash to mark the holy month of Pride at all, but when they commissioned Falana Films in Bangalore to make this video (graphics put together by she/her @deep.teee) they would have given a clear brief. I strongly suspect this mentioned ‘Terfs’ as a clear and present danger, and casually mentioned JKR as an example.

Oxfam’s cash comes from the public of course, but there seems to be so much money swilling around captured outfits like Falana Films and the organisations they work with (like Sandbox Collective) that I am left wondering where it comes from? They can’t all commission each other from nothing.

And how much of the developing world has adopted the western practice of making gender ideology compliance a condition for funding (particularly for women-centred activity)? Cultural imperialism in the frame again. Commissioning an Indian company seems to be Oxfam’s lip-service to internationalism - the film however is concerned for the western twitter TRA rather than Hijra.

EdithStourton · 07/06/2023 09:38

dimorphism · 07/06/2023 09:03

Nominative determinism in action there....

My thought also.

@mommyisbest excellent post, thank you.

I recently met an financial manager who said he'd worked a lot with charities and he divided their governing bodies/ management boards into two broad types: well intentioned but very often inexperienced and clueless, or conniving shysters in it for what they could get out of it.

I've got a couple of friends who have either worked for or volunteered at a high level with big charities. They emerged pissed off with either self-seeking brass or financial ineptitude.

It's really sad when once great charities hop onto ideological bandwagons and make out that anyone who doesn't agree with them is evil and degenerate.

Walrussy · 07/06/2023 09:37

ResisterRex · 07/06/2023 08:49

Maybe not the point, but that guy's LinkedIn 'About' statement is so badly written.

medianewbie · 07/06/2023 09:35

@PotteringPondering
Thank you. I have just emailed a Formal Complaint.

RedRiverSun · 07/06/2023 09:24

They've lost our donations over this one. Their management is rotten to the core.

Helleofabore · 07/06/2023 09:19

ResisterRex · 07/06/2023 08:49

oh… what a surprise!

When are employers going to realise that hiring employees that influence the message and the strategic direction of the organisation directly from activist backgrounds only works if that activism fits exactly into your organisation’s remit and target market.

That was always a recipe for disaster employing a stonewall influencer into Oxfam. The message was never going to be professional in its treatment of voices that disagree. Hire a person who has extreme biases based on no fact just emotion and you get what you pay for.

ResisterRex · 07/06/2023 09:17

Stonewall / Oxfam / British Cycling link?!

https://twitter.com/marayamauchi/status/1666354025921490946?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

TrainedByCats · 07/06/2023 09:17

Brilliantly put Shazia more eloquently than I could

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/06/2023 09:15

No problem at all with organisations showing support for LGB ppl

still unclear why any company should be cheering on young women having their healthy breasts removed and taking testosterone because society is so misogynistic they’d rather think they’re a man than be a woman or middle aged men performing their interpretation of femininity and crashing unwanted into women’s spaces

Signalbox · 07/06/2023 09:12

Huge numbers of orgs have now shown some form of LGBT support in one way or another. I am curious just how boycotters manage to keep track of them all and boycott them all.

Capitalism loves trans ideology. So much money to be made.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/06/2023 09:11

Colour me unshocked at the stonewall Oxfam link.

the lack of self awareness of stonewall alumni never ceases to amaze. That you’d turn up to work at a charity that works with some of the poorest & most marginalised ppl on earth, where there had already been a huge scandal around their treatment of women & girls and think “you know what this charity really needs to do is think more about the gender identity of middle class people in the western world”

SirVixofVixHall · 07/06/2023 09:07

ArabeIIaScott · 06/06/2023 21:04

It would suggest that the organisation is rotten through and through. They've learned nothing from Haiti and past scandals - just tried to paper over and pretend all is well.

Totally agree.

borntobequiet · 07/06/2023 09:05

@mommyisbest such a good post.