Fears Rishi Sunak will renege on promise to clarify definition of biological sex

This sounds good too

Basically anything on this other than Starmer dismissing us as dinosaurs and Drakeford calling us shrill and bigoted

Accusations of being in cahoots with the "right wing" - tick

Total silence on the statements and behaviour of female Labour MPs and MSs - tick

"Do better" scolding - tick

Uh huh.

It would be good to get the legal side on this

I don’t recall this being a GE issue last time. Was there even daylight between the parties

I’ve come to it via mn FWR and only for last few years

Whilst I’d love it to just be finalised I’m also aware it’s a huge societal issue.

My least preferred option is not to discuss this at all, as Starmer wants

If there’s a debate, pushed to GE level fine. Voters can see the clear dividing lines and take ownership of outcome whether by sex or gender

That women have had to just bend without even allowing public debate or GE level input really gets to me

Let’s bash it out if needed

IANAL but no, don't think the debate compels the government to do anything. It might be said to provide them with evidence if they do put a statutory instrument through. It will show they've taken advice (EHRC), listened to elected representatives, and weighed these things up in deciding to go ahead, perhaps.

If it's a statutory instrument that has to be voted on, that'll be interesting. IIRC practically no Labour MPs showed up for the S35 debate in Parliament. All parties will have to decide whether to whip, permit abstentions, the lot.

I'm not quite sure Rosie Duffield forming an alliance with ultra right Christian Tory MP Miriam Cates is a great idea, who is anti abortion and equates trans women with child sexual abusers, i'm sure she'll throw womens rights back to the 1930s.

Having just seen a vulnerable woman left to her own devices during a crisis and then put in a MH unit where she was then sexually assaulted by a male patient... i do not share your faith whatsoever in the Tory party or Richi Sunak, they ve had 13 years to fuck up the NHS and have done a very good job in that time.

As for "deluded" work on your ability to construct an argument without insults.

Are they compelled to act on the conclusions of this kind of debate does anyone know?

The debate in WM Hall should decide it, surely? A statutory instrument won't take long to do?

Like I said, if it comes to light that they could have made this amendment now but chose instead to delay and use women's rights as an election carrot then, as far as I'm concerned, they can fuck right off. It is unacceptable and I hope Conservatives for Women will stick a rocket up their arse. That said, I should concede that I don't intend voting for them anyway. I'm resigned to hoping there's either an SDP candidate or an independent with a functioning brain.

We have a year before the next election. Contact the SDP and Communist Party. The more interest they get, the more candidates they will field.

Women and women's rights are not safe under the Tories. They have failed us in every way.

Why do people not mind being called shrill, bigoted or dinosaurs or Ed Davey going on about women with penises?

Do they just look forward and think none of that will become more pronounced if they get in

Madness.

Pretty sure this has now been done to actual death now, but where I live dont have SDP or communist party standing.

There is occassionally a independent candidate, usually from one of the mainstream parties but pissed off with some tiny thing that didnt go the way they wanted, so they throw out the teddy and stand as independent. Which is someone my area does not need to represent it.
I know what my area needs, and most of all it needs women to be a stand alone group, with single sex requirements as standard. I can guarantee mixed sex anything here will mean women wont be allowed out of the house.

I missed Tory members reporting women for retweeting JKR, was it someone like Crispin Blunt?

The Conservative Party weren't mucking around either when they said TWAW and TMAM at the Despatch Box, wrt a Maternity Bill. Their members weren't mucking about when they reported women to the police and their employers for retweeting JKR.

The only mucking about the Tories have done, is pretending that they know what a woman is and that they are rolling back on their TWAW policies.

Labour and Lib Dems aren’t mucking around when they call women dinosaurs, or they say that no one is interested, or that shrill bigoted women should not even get answers, or that women can have a penis.

They say it because they believe it.

It’s up to voters to decide but I’d say it’s madness to ignore the obvious.

I also hold the Tories to account on what they have done to female rights over the last 13 years.... I'm surprised so many are willing to forget all this.

Me too. They destroyed women's rights. They destroyed the country. They are not rolling back, that was another lie.

@Ourladycheesusedatum the SDP and Communist Party have been consistent in their views that TWANW. No need to vote for the lying, corrupt, incompetent Tory party and give them another 4years destroying our children's education with TWAW believers like Keegan. Although I think it may be too late. Once the RHon member for Bridgend turns up to work in his best twinset and pearls, we're fucked. And it is the Tories who did it.

But the LP are not going to be changing many of those things about staffing or immigration issues.

My belief is that as the Labour party is heavily weighted by female MPs, they will change their views on TWAW.

The female MPs have been vocal in their support for Rosie Duffield and their criticism of Lloyd Russell-Moyle. Oh, no, wait, they haven't.

And have you heard the words and seen the behaviour of female Labour Senedd members in Wales like Jane Hutt and Hannah Blythyn?

You're deluded, frankly, @Alexandra2001

I agree, yet the other parties aren't even offering this,
So as it stands at current cycle in the political world, I'm voting Tory.
If torys take this off the table completely, then yeah. We are all screwed.
If labour or lib dems get in anyway, we are all screwed.

I wont vote for any party that doesnt recognise women as ahf.

So I wont vote.

Until that time comes I'm voting Tory.

One thing to bare in mind, if Sunak doesn't carry through on his promise pre election, then he wont post election..... manifesto's are not legally binding.

My belief is that as the Labour party is heavily weighted by female MPs, they will change their views on TWAW.

But i also hold the Tories to account on what they have done to female rights over the last 13 years.... i'm surprised so many are willing to forget all this.

Nor the will to see through the Cass Report and all the other issues affecting children and trans ideology in eg education.

My worst outcome is Starmer no one is talking about it comes to fruition. We get to the GE they get in and we’re toast.

Fuck it let us talk about it. If society cares about sex based rights blow it up and get it in front of people.

If this is turned into an election issue when it could have been sorted fairly quickly I will have no real faith that the Tories can be trusted with women’s rights.

True. There may be an element of people wanting to vote Labour or Lib Dem but they know without Sunak acting they will be worse on this issue,

If it does become a GE issue voters will just need to decide how important it is.

I’d like it to happen pre GE but fine to vote on it.

Yes for me, yes for my daughters, yes for the detransitioners, yes for the trans widows, yes for the children being given ‘affirmative gender care’, yes for the sports women, yes for the lesbian women being erased, yes for the women in prison, yes for the women in hospitals, yes for accurate crime statistics.

Christ, why would you vote against this?