Fears Rishi Sunak will renege on promise to clarify definition of biological sex

You are just scaremongering, Labour and the LD have not proposed any such law to "remove" women.

Our sports may as well be renamed and good luck in prison, rape shelters, hospitals etc, and your local shopping centre toilets will be no go, your local park toilets, no go, etc etc

this is the case under the Tories, DV refuges shut down, single sex wards gone and female amateur sport allowed to be taken over by men... but apparently you all want some more of this, so advocate voting Tory or not vote.

Yesterday, despite being assaulted by a male patient previously in the week, it happened again... real life experiences under the Torys and their cuts... they can fuck off with their false rhetoric.

Unfortunately though a wasted vote just risks the worst of parties getting in unhindered, and they won't care if it's on a 2% turn out. They'll still tell you they were voted in on women-hating, equality destroying, anti reality manifestos, so whoopee, let the batshit roll.

It is going to be a case for me of not voting FOR anyone really, but actively voting in a way that keeps the most dangerous parties out. It's a case of the least worst option for another five years, at the end of which we may have more sanity, more choice, and parties actually worth positively supporting.

My DD works for the Electoral Services Department for a council. She unequivocally says a spoilt vote is a wasted vote. They’re recorded but it doesn’t mean anything, they aren’t read unless the teller thinks it’s humorous, the MPs / councillors don’t care about them . It’s basically a wasted vote.

Your daughter is welcome to her opinion. Other people think differently.

The comments are not read aloud

I don't mean the comments are read aloud, I mean that the number of spoiled ballots is read out at the count.

They are also counted and the number recorded.

I give no shits if my spoiled ballot is read, my point in spoiling is to say there is no one worthy of my vote even though I traipsed out to try.

Now we have someone to vote for. I dont need to spoil. Easy

To add they do read some of the spoilt ones , but it is to see if they can make out if an actual vote in their favour has been cast amongst the defacement.

I've seen my MP reading them, so I guess it's different depending on where you live.

Yes.

Sigh.

Then we need a party to vote for.
None of us is going to tick a box that renders us void.

Currently the only mainstream party that makes us think they will help us is torys.

Labour and lib dem and some others will make it law for men to take over as women. This will make women nothing. We wont exist (i dont mean literally) in law, we wont ever be counted separately again. Our sports may as well be renamed and good luck in prison, rape shelters, hospitals etc, and your local shopping centre toilets will be no go, your local park toilets, no go, etc etc

My DD works for the Electoral Services Department for a council. She unequivocally says a spoilt vote is a wasted vote. They’re recorded but it doesn’t mean anything, they aren’t read unless the teller thinks it’s humorous, the MPs / councillors don’t care about them . It’s basically a wasted vote.

AFAIK from previous posts on other threads by people involved in election counts, spoiled ballot papers are inspected to see whether there is any mark in the box against a candidate's name. Some officials and candidates may read what's written or they may not, but they're concentrating on the boxes. The comments are not read aloud.

I've spoiled my ballot before. I don't agree it's the same thing as not voting. It's a way of showing dissatisfaction. Spoiled ballots are counted and read out aren't they so it's not like just not bothering at all.

I think there’s a definite trend on here trying to persuade women to not vote or spoil their votes which is the same thing as not voting, I get that it’s a personal choice. But I do wonder if here’s an ulterior motive in telling women that they don’t need to vote.political parties only care about their electorate.

The suffragettes died so we have the choice to vote or not.

Agree at least vote. Make your voice heard.

All this don’t vote at all stuff, silencing women’s voices. The suffragettes died for the right of women to vote. If you don’t vote you have lost your rights, political parties don’t care about people who don’t vote.

You don't have to vote for any of them Mixedberry. You don't have to vote at all.

@Chersfrozenface The Tories gave us Brexit & then Cameron ran away, there followed 4 plus years of chaos.

Though on Brexit and Lab, like you, i despair.... Brexit can never work, one only has to look up Thatchers views on the SM, the benefits of SM are valid now as they were back in her day.

The Tories run the UK,... ultimately responsible and health devolution does not exist in a vacuum, especially in regions that are not sovereign.

GDP growth is sooooo low, mainly due to their brexit, that basing increases on GDP will not reflect the real terms cuts due to inflation.

Keir Starmer says he doesn't believe Brexit itself harmed the UK. His slogan is Make Brexit Work. Yet he's ruled out joining the Single Market or even a Customs Union. According to the Labour Party website, this will involve tearing down unnecessary barriers by ensuring a new new veterinary agreement for agri-products between the UK and EU (though how this would help exporters of non-agricultural goods, I really can't see), and supporting Britain’s world-leading industries through mutual recognition of professional qualifications, ensuring the UK's services can compete and restoring access to funding and vital research programmes. All this, of course, relies on the EU agreeing to Starmer's proposals. And there is nothing on the matter of rules of origin.

The report by the Royal College of Radiologists on cancer care in every region of the UK, bares this out, 97% of cancer centres say they are failing patients, this report is far worse than their survey in 2016, which was ignored by the Tories.

In every region in the UK, including Wales, where Labour are in charge of health, and Scotland, where it's the SNP - health being a devolved matter.

Growth starting from a much lower level and increases in spending (if they actually are) do not reflect the real terms cuts over the last 13 years.

GDP growth is sooooo low, mainly due to their brexit, that basing increases on GDP will not reflect the real terms cuts due to inflation.

The report by the Royal College of Radiologists on cancer care in every region of the UK, bares this out, 97% of cancer centres say they are failing patients, this report is far worse than their survey in 2016, which was ignored by the Tories.

On TWAW, i'm rather disturbed by the huge rise in GRC issued in the UK, inc increasing the number of GRC clinics in the UK, once again, rhetoric doesn't match reality.

It’s a difficult one alright, otherwise they might actually just post an answer.

I know all this.
I agree the Tories have done all this, they're a shower of shits.
I would love to vote them out.
I have voted in every election in the last forty years, and never voted Tory.

But I won't vote for a candidate or a party that denies fundamental reality.
The reality is that NO woman has a penis.
And I'm not voting for a candidate or a party too cowardly to say that.
That is more important to me than any other issue.
If that means voting Tory, so be it - if the Labour Party want my vote, they need to give up their obeisance to this nonsense ideology.

There are loads of realistic voting options that aren't voring for this shower of fuckwits the Tory Party. Most people in the UK manage to not vote Tory without any problem.

I don't vote Tory all the time. It isn't difficult.

Maybe if you stopped avoid the question's people ask you about realistic voting options, you might see why.

Is it Sunk Cost Fallacy?