Fears Rishi Sunak will renege on promise to clarify definition of biological sex

I don't think people are morally bad for voting Tory....people are entitled to vote for whoever they wish and do not have to justify their choice.

However, if you come on a public forum and say you'll vote Tory based on something the Cons "might" do (but haven't despite many promises) and also ignore their record on protecting female rights... then i think they can be challenged on that.... surely?

Same sex wards cannot happen, there isn't the building space, the money to build them & there is no staff..... one problem we have had with MH services is getting to speak to a Dr or nurse that has English as their first language, the culture toward the mentally ill in SE Asia or Africa is not the same as a European one.
We also shouldn't be taking staff from developing countries, its completely wrong... again a result of Tory policy on NHS staff.

On Labour, i sometimes give up, this Govt gives them so many open goals, yet for whatever reason, Lab don't seem to be able to convert to a positive, they seem very timid.

I also don't see Labour as being on the left at all..... in a mainland european context, they are a centre right party... any person who voted Tory for say Major or Cameron, should have no problem voting Lab.

That's very sad to hear, Alexandra. And this is why we are fighting to ensure mixed sex wards don't happen.

Instead of asking why people might vote for the Tories, just making up stories that cast someone as morally bad for voting Tory absolves the left of any responsibility for the reason people are turning away from them. It's not an effective way to win power.

I ve just lived through how Tory cuts to MH services meant that a vulnerable female had zero protection in the community and even when admitted to a MH unit, was then sexually assaulted by a male patient, adding to the distress she is already going through.

All i can think off is that people who say they would vote Tory based on a "promise" that hasn't yet happened & like most Con ones, wont..... lead sheltered lives and have no experience of the damage done to female services over the last decade or so.

Trouble is the Tories are the only party who have indicated they would change legislation. So if they decide not to, there's no alternative to vote for.

Christ on a bike.

To me, it seems like a brave choice for a Minister to clarify the extent of the law. That's the job of legislation.

It can't be done via guidance, because that needs to comply with the law to be lawful itself.

If it's done via statutory instrument it can be judicially reviewed and the change struck down.

This is electioneering. If the Tory Party wanted a fire on the Labour Party on trans rights they could have one within a few months. In Parliament with everyone watching.

My money is "when parliamentary time allows".

Or maybe this change can be done by statutory instrument at a minutes notice in which case, it's still about possible.
I'm sure that, when this was discussed a couple of months ago, there was a view that, because it was a clarification of an existing law, the Minister concerned might be able to make the amendment without new legislation in parliament. I don't know if this is correct but I've not heard a word about it since.

As I posted on the other thread, if it turns out that this was indeed possible but that the government chose instead to make it an election issue, then I will be decidedly unimpressed.

Exactly. At the moment Labour and the LibDems just don't seem to have the intelligence required to run a country.

So i'll take the ones that can actually string a sentence together over the blithering idiots! considering that is currently our only choices.

And the Lib Dems are right there with Labour’s dinosaur line with their women and penises

No chance.

I want people to focus here. Parliament does not sit in August.

That means to get this into law before May 2024, into primary legislation and into effect, it would need to be ready to put into Parliament, in September/October. It would be controversial and it would need to be sped through the Commons, Lords, and maybe ping pong before it came back for Royal Assent.

All of that will need a huge number of people pushing this forward against all the other parliamentary work the government will want. If the Telegraph is writing a reminder letter to Rishi Sunak, it's because he has forgotten to prepare this work, let alone commission it going ahead. That's why it's there.

Or maybe this change can be done by statutory instrument at a minutes notice in which case, it's still about possible.

We knew he wouldn't do it when Jan Turner reported he didn't have the numbers in the Conservative Party or the will to whip them in this issue.

It's all just more Tory lies.

Please don’t do this, the only votes that count are the ones that are filled in properly and counted. They’re already trying to silence our voices, don’t let them silence your vote as well.

I know I'm late to this but add me to the yes I bloody will pile.

On fact it's exactly what I did I'm the local ones.

I'm so sick of this shit.

And doubly sick of Labour being such horrible little weasels.

And yes I know a lot of its happened under Tory rule but at least they have seen there is a problem. Labour can't tell its arse from its elbow

He won't do it. He's running out of time to do anything. Besides, it's a great campaign issue which some will fall for.

They could change the legislation within the next six months. Then it could come into effect before the next election.

But they won't do it.

I would vote for the tories over this issue. Even tho it goes against every sinew and fibre in my body. I just can’t vote Labour or for anyone else who isn’t crystal clear what a woman is and isn’t prepared to put it into law. Properly.

Another yes, with a heavy heart though.

Just came across this when researching how to protest vote- if things don't look good next May. Thought worth sharing on here:
https://www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

I don't even know that they really do, tbh. It's more likely just an opportunity to scold women.

I can't access the NHS anyway due to Annexe B and they are quite useless, I say this as someone chronically ill, I don't care if it's sold off, it's a cult that has employees chant TWAW, it's really unhealthy.

He's going to lose the next election whatever he does. 14 years of Tories? Time for a change, many will think. I am worried by Starmer's ideological commitment to TWAW and also his alignment with teachers' unions which want to end the phonic check, which would be a disaster for children learning to read. But Tories on the NHS are looking dubious. Hunt wants a US style 'system' and the NHS is all that is left of the 'family silver' to sell off.

That would make sense - send in the lowest-ranking government minister to take the heat.