Page 3 | Judicial review into adult GIDs

WarriorN · 2023-06-04T06:28:14+00:00

Two attempts to post on this were deleted with a more detailed title into what it actually is: the launching of a judicial review against adult GIDS. I only posted the title and the text of the tweet. So posting the link to the tweet. He also has a piece in the times - sorry I can't access.

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 08:55

@Moomoola

He's written extensively about his experience.

Here he describes those sessions including one his mother attended, where his mother's concerns were dismissed.

And yet mothers who affirm are applauded.

https://open.substack.com/pub/tullipr/p/scrambled-eggs?utm campaign=post&utmm_medium=web

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 08:51

My concern is that if this vulnerable 21 year old is deemed to be "legally competent" to decide on this brutal surgery, many trans activists who see children as mini adults (as evidenced regularly on this board) will extrapolate any ruling to apply to the youngest of children.

Yes its extremely concerning.

Ritchie is an adult who does not have learning difficulties and consented to medically transitioning AFTER the age of 25, and yet still severely regrets it. (Though true informed consent here is debatable.)

So how can anyone say that children can consent, let alone those who may have additional vulnerabilities?

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Moomoola · 04/06/2023 08:44

I know nothing about this but what is on this thread. But I can’t help wondering about the 100 plus sessions. My DH suddenly nearly died with something very rare - was obviously struggling post emergency surgery and was only offered 1 session. rogd mum sounds right, it’s so horribly sinister and remorseless

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 08:42

rogdmum · 04/06/2023 08:13

Those 100+ sessions will have been fully affirming- ie instead of being sessions to explore the underlying reasons for his gender dysphoria, they will have morphed into therapy to help accept the need to transition, a conditioning to help him along the way in his belief that he was actually a woman.

For Ritchie, GIDS said that if he wasn't going to transition the therapy was going to stop.

He was unable to rationally understand what was going on (hence many therapy sessions, iirc weekly) and so agreed to do so.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/06/2023 08:29

Hopefully this will allow some of the appalling practices happening to these children to be aired in court. My concern is that if this vulnerable 21 year old is deemed to be "legally competent" to decide on this brutal surgery, many trans activists who see children as mini adults (as evidenced regularly on this board) will extrapolate any ruling to apply to the youngest of children.
I hope I'm wrong. This Judge looked at the treatment of a child who was socially transitioned by his very unwell mother and was very critical of the actions of social services & other professionals who actively enabled the emotional abuse of the child:

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

J (A Minor), Re [2016] EWHC 2430 (Fam) (21 October 2016)

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

rogdmum · 04/06/2023 08:13

Those 100+ sessions will have been fully affirming- ie instead of being sessions to explore the underlying reasons for his gender dysphoria, they will have morphed into therapy to help accept the need to transition, a conditioning to help him along the way in his belief that he was actually a woman.

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 08:12

The parents always followed the professional's advice. They had no particular opinions other than making sure he was happy. But obviously the "professional advice" has since changed a lot.

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 08:11

rogdmum · 04/06/2023 07:46

This is very much needed. The adult pathway, which begins at 17, is full on affirmation onto the medical pipeline. With “time served” on the Tavi waiting list applied to the adult waiting time, many younger adults are being seen much more quickly than the headline 3-4 year waiting list would indicate.

I also find it absolutely chilling that the father of the other young man was threatened with his son being taken into care when he tried to block him from going on puberty blockers at 16. This cult-like social services threatening environment needs to stop.

Very much needed.

My personal professional experience is with a boy, now a man, who has learning difficulties and autism, who could have been (and could now be) either Ritchie or this young man. It was all about stereotypes and liking those not associated with his sex. He was seen as a child when the Tavistock and mermaids was more reasonable and measured and was NOT given a diagnosis of GD. Since attending a particular very pro trans FE college which has a large dept for young adults with learning disabilities, he's fully socially transitioned (I don't know more). I'm also very concerned about some of the individuals who appear to involve themselves with that institution.

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Emotionalsupportviper · 04/06/2023 08:06

Glad to see this is happening - not before time!

FannyCann · 04/06/2023 08:05

Also, I hope the surgeons who are lined up for the imminent surgery on the other young man hold off. It would surely be very unwise to proceed with surgery knowing a high profile legal case is pending.

FannyCann · 04/06/2023 08:02

It is heartbreaking to hear of the state of Ritchie's post surgery body. I really hope this case goes well for him and the other person. I have contributed to the crowdfunder.

I have seen him previously mention that he was threatened with the discontinuation of his therapy sessions if he didn't sign up for surgery.
Only now have I seen he had had 100+ sessions.
I can see that these can not be unlimited/forever given the appalling state of NHS mental health services, although that is no reason to force someone to take the "next" step. Wondering how effective those sessions were and why so called "full surgical transition" should be seen as the end goal. Isn't it the case that most adult men who transition never have surgery? I don't mean to diminish or make fun of this very serious and upsetting problem but the words of Magdalen Berns re Alex Drummond are very relevant here "of course surgery terrifies you Alex. They chop your cock off". No one should be persuaded that this is the only course for them when they have clearly expressed concerns.

rogdmum · 04/06/2023 07:46

This is very much needed. The adult pathway, which begins at 17, is full on affirmation onto the medical pipeline. With “time served” on the Tavi waiting list applied to the adult waiting time, many younger adults are being seen much more quickly than the headline 3-4 year waiting list would indicate.

I also find it absolutely chilling that the father of the other young man was threatened with his son being taken into care when he tried to block him from going on puberty blockers at 16. This cult-like social services threatening environment needs to stop.

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 07:40

Thank you Rhymes, it clarifies who "we" are.

the Newcastle-based civil servant, 36, has launched legal action against NHS England, alongside the “heartbroken” father of a 21-year-old who has been booked in for imminent genital-removal surgery at an adult gender clinic. The two men are demanding a judicial review which includes an independent inquiry into the safety of NHS treatments being offered to young people under the age of 25 who are experiencing gender dysphoria.

Steve Barclay, secretary of state for health, and Kemi Badenoch, minister for equalities, as well as Dr Hilary Cass, who carried out a recent review of the Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service (Gids) are also being served with legal papers. The father is hoping to stop the surgery from going ahead.

I hope that this will be successful and trigger a long over due review into the way these "treatments" and the idea "bodies are wrong" based on gender stereotyping and internalised homophobia, are viewed.

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 07:36

Images of tweet

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RhymesWithOrange · 04/06/2023 07:33

This might be a shareable link:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cf857796-01ec-11ee-b730-2607a18701aa?shareToken=4fb99eee8688c47ce7c6c46b3c540ba44_

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 07:33

Ah ok so it's the text of the tweet that's not getting though. Ffs

Times link

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-trans-surgery-damaged-my-body-for-ever-its-not-safe-jt2hhbrgk

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 07:32

Text of tweet

I'm pleased to announce that we will be launching a Judicial Review against the UK's Adult Gender Clinics.

The review aims to challenge the failure of the NHS to provide appropriate treatment and safeguards for adults suffering from gender dysphoria.

Last Friday, Paul Conrathe issued a notice to the UK's Secretary of Health (@SteveBarclay) and the Minister for Women and Equalities (@KemiBadenoch) informing them of our action. Dr. Hilary Cass has also been notified.

We are optimistic the UK Government will welcome the review.

I would like to give thanks to my superb legal team: Paul Conrathe (Sinclair's Law), Jeremy Hyam KC, Slater and Gordon for their continuous work on my medical negligence claim, and Peter Harthan of 7HS.

And to each and everyone of you for your support, thank you so much!

For a full statement and to see how you can help support the action, please visit tinyurl.com/safeguardsNow

Thank you!

Ritchie xoxo

Times story

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-trans-surgery-damaged-my-body-for-ever-its-not-safe-jt2hhbrgk

He said last week the bbc should be reporting on it "if they behave themselves."

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WarriorN · 04/06/2023 07:29

twitter.com/tullipr/status/1665116767767674880?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

I wonder if there's an automatic filter when few mods or something?

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