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Suzie Green issues statement and accuses daily mail of anti -trans witch hunt.

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CreateaUsername27 · 03/06/2023 13:20

I don't think that the Daily Mail have published the piece yet that she has been asked to comment on, but it seemes to be critical of her links to the Tavistock:

  • Her practice of referring children to the Tavistock against the wishes of their GP and overstepping her role.
-Not allowing staff to have opposing views on allowing transwomen in sport. -Recommending Gender GP to children in her care. -not allowing children to explore the possibility that they might be transitioning to escape being gay-'gay conversion therapy'.

Obviously she justifies it by saying the press are transphobic and refutes everything but interesting to contrast it with a few years ago when she was untouchable.

https://medium.com/@segreen100/daily-mail-anti-trans-witch-hunt-episode-7-692-b3eef8ab5b95

Daily Mail Anti-Trans Witch-hunt: Episode 7,692…

Well, here we go again, another hit piece. It almost feels like I am back at Mermaids, sitting waiting with the press and comms team for…

https://medium.com/@segreen100/daily-mail-anti-trans-witch-hunt-episode-7-692-b3eef8ab5b95

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WickedSerious · 06/06/2023 12:03

It's way past time this woman got in the bin.

marapournumber4 · 06/06/2023 03:39

Well she's a freak show!

Bosky · 06/06/2023 02:31

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 19:57

She didn't hoodwink us all-only a bunch of health and medical professionals who forgot to ask-"Who the fuck are you? What credentials do you have?"

Which brings us back the question I asked before - why are intelligent trained professionals so gullible and easy hoodwinked? hundreds of them. NHS, police, teaching, why have they all fallen for this stuff and are so enthusiastic about it? I mean, I can see that hive mind and not wanting to commit professional suicide once this ideology took root, but WHY did it? it's like the Satanic abuse scandal of the 1990s all over again.

"it's like the Satanic abuse scandal of the 1990s all over again."

At least one of the main players in the Satanic Abuse Scandal is now at heart of this one:

Diane Ehrensaft, 'Satanic Panic' Woo Peddler, Now Champions the 'Gender Angels' Among Us
The dangerously consequential career of a quack
https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/diane-ehrensaft-satanic-panic-woo

The Gender Oracles and Their Holy Children
The radical gender theorists see a potential holy child in every crib.
https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/the-gender-oracles-and-their-holy

This comment on that article has further links:
https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/the-gender-oracles-and-their-holy/comment/9107106

including Clive Simpson's video series

"We need to talk about Diane Ehrensaft"
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhYLXYFwilfn6bxmGS9UNiCRyuq3Mif6v

Diane Ehrensaft, 'Satanic Panic' Woo Peddler, Now Champions the 'Gender Angels' Among Us

The dangerously consequential career of a quack

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/diane-ehrensaft-satanic-panic-woo

AutumnCrow · 04/06/2023 12:58

Susie Green also managed to persuade Tony Marchant, an otherwise laudable and talented playwright and screenplay writer, to write and partly produce the execrable and manipulative Butterfly series (shown on ITV around 2018). SG was some sort of executive consultant, driving the agenda of the writing. From Marchant's own words about the writing process, she got into his thoughts.

Early planning for that must have started in maybe 2016?

Could anyone say No to her back then?

Igmum · 04/06/2023 12:27

Well done Jenni Murray (and please come back to Woman's Hour)

SabrinaThwaite · 03/06/2023 23:47

Jenni Murray nails it.

HandBall · 03/06/2023 23:04

worrieddragon · 03/06/2023 22:48

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow Great post. I see the same thing happening in the charity sector - the worshipping of 'lived experience' over any other kind of information, meaning evidence or expertise are all trumped by the voices of people most willing and able to wield this new kind of power.

I have seen this narcissistic charity staff (not Mermaids as I have no personal interaction there, I am talking about others around this subject if GI) and influencers, abusing their community. It should from part of an inquiry, the moderators on social media too are culpable in my opinion. I agree with Jordan Peterson and would like them given a criminal record along with the teachers and Drs.

Backstreets · 03/06/2023 23:02

I feel so sorry for the little boy her son used to be.

HandBall · 03/06/2023 22:57

The Father has a point about Neuro development.

Was the child in puberty blockers, what impact did that javelin brain development?

The brain stops maturing at 25 and the son has an ASD diagnosis, he is 21, yet more like a 15 year old developmentally.

The focus on informed consent is important so is the focus on 'Do no harm' what gives anyone the right to interfere and blur boundaries around what happens in another person's body?

worrieddragon · 03/06/2023 22:48

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow Great post. I see the same thing happening in the charity sector - the worshipping of 'lived experience' over any other kind of information, meaning evidence or expertise are all trumped by the voices of people most willing and able to wield this new kind of power.

HandBall · 03/06/2023 22:46

After all the increase of females at GIDS and the Bell case, it's now males taking the Tavi to court.

Dr Harold Shipman isn't alone, there must be many without criminal records in Education and health. There has always been an Eugenics movement in the UK, these people will be clapping on assistance suicide too.

worrieddragon · 03/06/2023 22:44

She gives herself away in this post.

"To be clear, the Tavistock is a provider of therapeutic support, and do not provide medical interventions." That's simply not right. It was the biggest shock (of many) for me in Hannah Barnes book - GIDS were commissioned to provide an assessment service for referral to endocrinology and did not offer therapeutic support. CAMHS were meant to be doing that in parallel, and were in the vast majority of cases not doing so, pleased to get children off their waiting lists and onto GIDS'.

Then further down:

"Young people should be listened to and allowed to explore their gender identity, whatever the outcome. The only route for young people to do this was through the Tavistock service as part of their assesment [sic] process, therefore that is where we directed them."

So, according to Green, the only way for 'young people' (children) to explore their gender identity is to go through a process of being assessed for puberty blockers? Which is all GIDS had to offer.

ResisterRex · 03/06/2023 21:50

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/06/2023 21:48

Mermaids only became well funded after they’d made strong inroads into government, the police, NHS & civil service.

Greene had some very powerful people opening doors for her - question as always is, why?

And: who?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/06/2023 21:48

Mermaids only became well funded after they’d made strong inroads into government, the police, NHS & civil service.

Greene had some very powerful people opening doors for her - question as always is, why?

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2023 21:44

my guess (and its no more than that) is that trans acceptance looks like an extension of gay rights, if you're not paying to much attention

Agreed. And most people aren't paying too much attention.

But for those taking decisions in children's services in the nhs, that's an unforgivable oversight.

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2023 21:41

They didn't have the time to look closely into the credentials of a very well funded group that claimed expertise and representation for so many of the children and young people who were suddenly being referred to them

I don't buy this. How long does it take to look up a website and clock that no relevant qualifications are on display? It's not like everyone had to do this, just the people taking the decision whose advice to follow.

They were blindsided by Green's confidence and presentation. But they shouldn't have been.

IcakethereforeIam · 03/06/2023 21:01

IcakethereforeIam · 03/06/2023 20:31

There's a reply under that Facebook post from Sophie Quilley (a new name for me). She says she got an FOI too. She seems to have been instrumental in setting up the Welsh equivalent of the Tavistock.

https://gender.wales/meet-the-team/

Apologies, the name is Sophie Quinney.

Tanith · 03/06/2023 20:47

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 19:57

She didn't hoodwink us all-only a bunch of health and medical professionals who forgot to ask-"Who the fuck are you? What credentials do you have?"

Which brings us back the question I asked before - why are intelligent trained professionals so gullible and easy hoodwinked? hundreds of them. NHS, police, teaching, why have they all fallen for this stuff and are so enthusiastic about it? I mean, I can see that hive mind and not wanting to commit professional suicide once this ideology took root, but WHY did it? it's like the Satanic abuse scandal of the 1990s all over again.

I think it comes down to how overworked so many of these professionals are.

They didn't have the time to look closely into the credentials of a very well funded group that claimed expertise and representation for so many of the children and young people who were suddenly being referred to them.

What needs to happen in future is an official, stringent inspection and accreditation process for these groups. Why Ofsted doesn't inspect them, I don't know. They really should before they're allowed into schools to present their agendas.

dropthevipers · 03/06/2023 20:39

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 20:33

The whole shit show depends on the foundational belief that people can change sex. How many people actually believe that? 2% max would be my guess

And of course once you're in, there's no way out. Unless you fancy being treated like Dr Stock. It takes an awful lot of courage to stand up and do that and see everything you'v worked for taken away.

And therein lies our way off planet bonkers-virtually no one really believes this fucking nonsense, so telling these tin foil hat nutters to get stuffed should hopefully soon be without consequence.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 20:33

The whole shit show depends on the foundational belief that people can change sex. How many people actually believe that? 2% max would be my guess

And of course once you're in, there's no way out. Unless you fancy being treated like Dr Stock. It takes an awful lot of courage to stand up and do that and see everything you'v worked for taken away.

jay55 · 03/06/2023 20:32

I always wonder how different things would be if she had been prosecuted for taking a minor to be castrated.

IcakethereforeIam · 03/06/2023 20:31

There's a reply under that Facebook post from Sophie Quilley (a new name for me). She says she got an FOI too. She seems to have been instrumental in setting up the Welsh equivalent of the Tavistock.

https://gender.wales/meet-the-team/

Meet The Team – Gender.Wales

https://gender.wales/meet-the-team

dropthevipers · 03/06/2023 20:19

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/06/2023 19:57

She didn't hoodwink us all-only a bunch of health and medical professionals who forgot to ask-"Who the fuck are you? What credentials do you have?"

Which brings us back the question I asked before - why are intelligent trained professionals so gullible and easy hoodwinked? hundreds of them. NHS, police, teaching, why have they all fallen for this stuff and are so enthusiastic about it? I mean, I can see that hive mind and not wanting to commit professional suicide once this ideology took root, but WHY did it? it's like the Satanic abuse scandal of the 1990s all over again.

my guess (and its no more than that) is that trans acceptance looks like an extension of gay rights, if you're not paying to much attention. It's only when the ramifications in sport, medical intervention, prisons etc are revealed by about five minutes thought that it is shown for the utter nonsense it always was. The whole shit show depends on the foundational belief that people can change sex. How many people actually believe that? 2% max would be my guess.

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