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I think 13 year old girls will continue to find ways to harm themselves until they have a mental health service in place

They’re unlikely to cut their own breasts off though. It takes a deluded, greedy and inhumane medical system to facilitate this sort of mutilation dressed up as appropriate treatment for what is essentially a psychological disorder.

I’m just wondering when the malign influence of right wingers will start to take hold? Only I’ve been posting here about the damage gender ideology is doing to children for probably 6 years now and still nothing. As a brainwashing strategy, it’s not very effective, is it?

It’s ridiculous to ask very young women to take a stand and just not compete against males. They are young women in college in the US, being told they face disciplinary action if they don’t nod and agree. They’re women whose livelihood depends on competing. They’re high school girls FFS!

How is Kathleen Stock helping to fund child mental health services adequately?

In the U.K. by paying her taxes.

I am another though who disagrees that services are or would be banned due to a ‘culture war’.

They should be banned because they are unsafe, experimental when they are not life saving, and because diagnosis of the conditions they are supposed to treat has now become so clouded by support groups giving tips on influencing diagnosis that it is a minefield.

If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick

It wasn’t female athletes taking stands against drug cheats that stopped doping in sport. What would have happened to Sharron Davies had she refused to compete against testosterone fuelled East German athletes? She would have been ignored. It took sporting bodies as a whole to crack down on drugs in sport (though many records set and medals won by drugged athletes still stand).
It’s good that many sports are now making it clear that men shouldn’t compete against women, however they identify, but it’s still taking far too long.

the US right is not even ideologically in favour of accessible health services.

Oh, even if Matt Walsh is right on stopping child mutilation you won't say so because you probably disagree with him on how health care should be funded?

OK.

Really putting the kids before your ideology there.

If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick

It wasn't athletes refusing to compete that put a stop to drug cheats.

From my point of view ‘first do no harm’ means adequate funding of E.g. CAHMS. and social services so that somebody like Keira Bell has proper support in place.

Fromm my point of view, don't wait until you can solve the impossible problem. If you have to solve NHS funding before you stop physically damanging children for no good reason then you'll be damaging children forever.

It doesn’t mean simply banning services as part of a culture war.

The service is banned (or rather limited - no-one has banned children's transition in the UK, only insisted it must be part of a proper trial) because it's unsafe. The culture war is the spin you are putting on it.

So...do you think the breast removal of 13yr old girls it should be stopped immediately or not?

You didn't answer the question.

It doesn’t mean simply banning services as part of a culture war. @Merrymouse

Banning 'gender affirming surgery' is not simply part of a culture war. It's actually about preventing immediate life long harm to children by stopping them being mutilated.

Culture war ffs.

So you think in the USA they should continue to cut the breasts off 13yr old girls until they have a mental health service in place?

I think 13 year old girls will continue to find ways to harm themselves until they have a mental health service in place, and the US right is not even ideologically in favour of accessible health services.

I certainly can’t speak for all people that are pro trans rights but… I believe gender is a social construct.

Why do you think a made up fiction trumps biological reality?

Yep. The whole guilt by shared universally believed fact is getting an airing again I see.

Once the medical transition is stopped I actually think the priority is the schools and culture.

I think if we root out this ideology fewer kids would need mental health services.

I'd like kids not confused rather than just expanding psychologists.

Expanding mental health services doesn't actually address why we have growing mental health issues which is where I'd put my energy once the medicalisation is stopped.

I don't have much faith in psychologists being the ones to address this phenomenon culturally.

I wouldn't say I'm feminist- not the modern sense anyway.

I love men, my father, brother etc I don't think men are evil. But I do think women should be valued more for the contributions as mothers

So you think in the USA they should continue to cut the breasts off 13yr old girls until they have a mental health service in place?

I'm with Matt Walsh and not you on this. It's evil and should be illegal immediately.

We can discuss mental health services meanwhile but stopping surgery, puberty blockers and cross sex hormones to kids needs to be immediate.

What's so bad about it? Would you have felt better if Matt Walsh was black and speaking to the tribe?

Yes I think it's designed to show what crazy people are around and what it's doing to children.

I loved it. It's not meant to be pro women but pro children and not mainstreaming mental illness

How is Kathleen Stock helping to fund child mental health services adequately?

Youre naive when it comes to the gender clinics. Here in Australia the gender clinics will support assessments for trauma/ASD etc and then transition them anyway

Oh, he's not doing everything you think should happen.
And he thinks some unrelated things that you don't like.
That's why he's bad.

That long list of successful cultural & political involvement to stop the medicalisation of gender non conforming children isn't enough.

You said he's not changing policies.
I said he is.
Now you say he's not changing all the polici
es.

That's what's bad about Matt Walsh.

It seems you give him too much credit you want him to do everything.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.

"First do no harm" means what it says. It mean don't start cutting up healthy tissue. You can do that without any of the services or money schemes. It is actually easier to do nothing than to start chopping people up. But you keep asking for services, they'll keep chopping;.

Yep, you're the problem. Pandering. Don't play games with crazy. Be kind is bullshit. Be honest. Have some integrity

If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick

At least I see where you are coming from - blaming women.

From my point of view ‘first do no harm’ means adequate funding of E.g. CAHMS. and social services so that somebody like Keira Bell has proper support in place. It doesn’t mean simply banning services as part of a culture war.

That is why I find people like Kathleen Stock and Hannah Barnes helpful.

He is good at what he does. Though when he asked the paediatritian about castration I did miss Sasha and Stella. They would have apologetically asked how the blue-haired loon preferred them to frame the question and she could have condemned herself all in her own words But he has a different style which appelas to many people who aren't so interested in the ins and outs of why people believe what they believe, and he did a very good expose in his own style.

And I especially value the time he gave to Scott Newgent.

First do no harm. Giving them permanent physical issues to go with their mental issues isn't affirmation. I think you're the problem. What have you done? Why criticism for someone who has actually taken action. If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick. Instead, we're pandering to insanity. Lying to ourselves and letting atrocities happen, because we're kind and righteous and we talk a good game but do fuck all.

I believe gender is a social construct.

Yes, so do I. What is sex?