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AnotherDayAnotherView · 02/06/2023 10:39

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Helleofabore · 07/06/2023 11:02

I cannot imagine what those extreme activitists believe people see when they act the way that they do. Blocked up, screaming slurs and hate, assaulting women, hiding behind umbrellas.

Yet, they continue to do it. And get upset when people publish the videos showing the world.

I suspect there are those who fully believe that to publish that footage is hate. That it should be edited to moderate it, to attempt to show some balance. When the reality is there is no fucking balance to those protests. And not one person on this earth has the responsibility to present those protests as anything but what they are.

If a group of people need to depend on obscurity of reporting, of only making sure a positive spin has been shown and not showing the unvarnished truth, of not even discussing it because it shows the falsity of the premise and the extreme ideological viewpoint that counters established science and requires people to lie to perpetuate the falsehood, it says all you need to know about that group.

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/06/2023 10:57

And this is actually where ( me being a bit too sympathetic sometimes) I do feel a little sorry fir the tras. They go on tv/radio, spout their usual substance light speeches, and all their adoring " fans" pile on saying how amazing they were amd how they showed the terfs etc.

The tras love it. But fail to see they are simply being encouraged to make complete fools of themselves. Giving false sense of achievements etc. I've said this before about many things/situations. But the sooner they realise their followers aren't their friends the better. They are nothing but entertainment and these followers would encourage them.off a cliff for their own entertainment. They are laughing at you. Not with you.

Stop wasting time on them.and actually start trying to fight hour case with actual facts

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/06/2023 10:51

Its not even just this one documentary.

Its every single article, interview, any chance to speak at all really. There is NEVER an answer to any of the questions. Even in interviews where they are clearly centre stage and the show staff clearly swallow every word and lick their arses. There is still nothing of any substance beyond sob stories and avoidance of talking about obvious issues. Its the one thing you can be sure of. That you will come away none the wiser about any of it.

Grown adults held to lower standards than we would hold school children with essays and debates.

Helleofabore · 07/06/2023 10:42

Yes. If Walsh lied, if he misquoted, if he dishonestly clipped or labeled people with hateful labels, the ‘see how Walsh edits those he agrees with versus those he disagrees with. It’s desperately cynical and biased, but not something you’re likely notice if you are very biased yourself,’ might hold together. But the documentary was about the forced change of language and what it means.

That makes this statement in bold just an empty claim.

It honestly feels like some people in the world believe the world is there to serve them. To edit things to moderate people’s extreme views, or to cater to their political views in programming. And any person who doesn’t is hateful and deserving of whatever negative label going.

The polarisation is very clear when you see it.

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/06/2023 10:20

At what point do people stop blaming media and others who are not lying or even twisting the reality by the way, for how extreme activists look. And I mean, just that. Not lying about what they do or say, just allowing them to answer direct questions in interviews. Not calling them ‘anti’ anything or denigrating them. Just letting them answer for themselves

The answer is simple surely. Provide an answer. Say all the things you claim.were edited out or taken out of context. Imagine what you could accomplish if you took the time you spend trying to discredit someone. Or trying to prove associations to undesirable people etc in order to try and get what was said taken less seriously, then failing and resorting to name calling , and spent it printing/filming a correction and putting your apparently real case forward.

Helleofabore · 07/06/2023 09:06

So, media outlets need to stop marketing to people and stop making additional content that focuses on opinion not just reporting the news, that keeps their viewership/readership coming back to them and stops them switching.

And documentary/video makers, who are self funded and not making the documentary or video for the general population need to edit their clips to moderate people who are discussing ideological beliefs. So to positively moderate them in a way that doesn’t make that person’s extreme ideas seem to be as extreme as they have presented them themselves.

Making the onus on the video maker to ensure a person’s extreme beliefs appear less so than reality. When the documentary is about just those extreme beliefs?

I mean, I am all for honesty. I don’t believe that any documentary maker or video maker should edit something in a way that misrepresents what was said and done. At all. But to say that these people that Walsh has included on this video were just edited to be portrayed in that way is quite unbelievable when you read or see other content from that person.

At what point do people stop blaming media and others who are not lying or even twisting the reality by the way, for how extreme activists look. And I mean, just that. Not lying about what they do or say, just allowing them to answer direct questions in interviews. Not calling them ‘anti’ anything or denigrating them. Just letting them answer for themselves.

When do people accept that it is not that the media outlet is ‘right wing’. It is not that the documentary maker has ‘chosen editing to present this person falsely’. That it is that these media are presenting a mirror, no name calling, no misrepresentation, and some people don’t like the reality.

NotBadConsidering · 07/06/2023 08:48

Remember that the woman who said “Do chickens cry?” wasn’t told by Walsh to say it and she is a doctor who is responsible for giving children hormone treatments that irrevocably harm their bodies.

The single biggest mistake TRAs have made in their entire endeavour of seeking to continue to ruin children and access women’s spaces is to talk out loud.

MalagaNights · 07/06/2023 08:43

The idea that Matt Walsh should be required to produce a balanced documentary without any bias is just laughable.

Why should he? He makes no secret of his position. He asked questions, people said stupid stuff he puts their stupid stuff out there to prove his point. Everyone knows what he's doing.

Why don't the TRAs make a balanced non biased documentary which gives GC feminists space to explain their views which then goes viral?

  1. because they don't want to
  2. because hell would freeze over because they even considered it
  3. even if they did the GC feminists wouldn't look like loons, they'd at most just look like people you disagree with.

It's just laughable these standards the left demands the right adhere to which they pay no attention to themselves.

"Make a documentary which edits us in a good light!!!"
No.

Because we think you are harming kids and need to be stopped

Matt Walsh is fighting with the gloves off and he's long ago disregarded the Be Kind demands and doesn't give a shit how much you hate him. He's not nice and doesn't claim to be.

Neither is KJK.

And all the surprised screams of 'but you have to be nice!!' just aren't going to work anymore.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/06/2023 08:25

NutellaEllaElla · 05/06/2023 16:17

I seem to recall he used to be blindly TWAW

He did, but when the wind begins to blow in the opposite direction, the man of straw bends with it.

borntobequiet · 07/06/2023 08:24

Walsh has complete control over the way the ‘documentary’ is presented — it’s not hard to exploit that to make yourself look like the voice of reason.

It’s not hard to look like the voice of reason when others are spouting utter nonsense. If anything he did them a favour by editing out their more egregious ramblings.

Helleofabore · 07/06/2023 08:19

TraumatisedGooner · 07/06/2023 07:25

Money and power is undoubtedly Murdoch’s objective. I think when you look at Fox News, particularly people like the recently removed Carlson, the strategy appears to be terrifying the viewer. They constantly tell the viewer that they are in danger and under attack. They build loyalty by undermining the individual’s ability to trust other sources. They make the viewer feel like it’s crucial to keep watching so they know what the (usually unnamed) enemy is up to.

As for existing prejudices… I think that generally is what Murdoch’s empire plays on, no? Various forms of fear of difference/fear of others/fear of foreign. Transphobia slots into that very neatly.

”They constantly tell the viewer that they are in danger and under attack. They build loyalty by undermining the individual’s ability to trust other sources. They make the viewer feel like it’s crucial to keep watching so they know what the (usually unnamed) enemy is up to.”

You have identified a strategy that has been adopted by news media across all political beliefs and you have vilified the right wing, as you see it, as being the issue.

Shall I post recent headlines from media targeting LGBT+ people?Come to think of it, how about just some of the statements from Stonewall and Mermaids?

It is a common fallacy that this is a strategy of the ‘right’ that people who pride themselves fiercely for being on the left tell themselves. That it is only done on the ‘right’.

And again, Murdoch’s original media stable covers a spectrum and is still there. Though people don’t look for it. He is a capitalist. He is an opportunist. Making him a bogeyman by attributing those commonly found strategies that are used in left wing media as well, that is where this argument fails.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 07/06/2023 08:17

NotBadConsidering · 07/06/2023 08:12

The entire documentary is Matt Walsh recording the idiotic things TRAs said. They could have made Walsh look stupid if

a) they could answer the question and
b) they didn’t come out with absolute batshit other stuff either.

But sure, it’s our fault. “You made idiot people say idiot things on camera!”🙄

I fear the fact that @TraumatisedGooner is unable to answer simple questions about the beliefs he wants to force us all to share means his opinion on people making themselves look foolish on the internet is probably not that objective

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/06/2023 08:15

TraumatisedGooner · 07/06/2023 07:13

To whatever extent that is actually true, you can look at this very ‘documentary’ to see how Walsh edits those he agrees with versus those he disagrees with. It’s desperately cynical and biased, but not something you’re likely notice if you are very biased yourself.

I think it's something that you could imagine if you were paranoid and closed-minded yourself.

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. These claims work both ways.

None of the TRAs could define, or even describe, what "feeling like . . " is. or even what a woman is. On the basis of nebulous, intangible, indescribable feelings, we are destroying a generation of confused, vulnerable children.

NotBadConsidering · 07/06/2023 08:12

The entire documentary is Matt Walsh recording the idiotic things TRAs said. They could have made Walsh look stupid if

a) they could answer the question and
b) they didn’t come out with absolute batshit other stuff either.

But sure, it’s our fault. “You made idiot people say idiot things on camera!”🙄

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/06/2023 08:10

FlirtsWithRhinos · 06/06/2023 23:47

KJK isn't left wing. All KJK does is say sex exists and invite people to say how that fact (or the denial of) affects their lives.

The reality of sex is like the reality of money. For good or bad, it exists and that has a material effect on real people's lives.

An individual absolutely may or may not approve of it existing, may or may not believe it's a construct, may or may not accept the gender constructs society loads on top of that existence, and they have a right to each of those political views.

But nevertheless, sex as a physical difference, and as something with social consequences, does exist.

So yes, what that fact means for humans, and how society should deal with that, is absolutely political and could be different for people on the left and on the right. But the fundamental fact of sex is, or at least should be, as politically neutral as the fact of gravity.

Those who think that the simple recognition of sex as a real and pertinent factor in people's lives can be assigned as politically right or left need to take a step back and have a good think about how they came to that view and whether it genuinely reflects how people identity and how they live their lives.

Excellent post.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/06/2023 08:08

It wasn't GC feminists that made Matt Walsh make his documentary, we could all go on a long holiday and he would still be doing his thing. It's the batshit behaviour of the tras that's helping MW. It's Lia Thomas, it's children being harmed, it's WiSpa, it's stuff like that. That's bringing his audience and making him sound like the voice of reason. If you want MW to stop, you are talking to the wrong people. If you want Murdoch's press to stop printing stories that make trans look unreasonable or like violent lunatics? There's nothing we're doing that's putting those stories out there.

Helleofabore · 07/06/2023 08:00

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/06/2023 07:35

But it is a simple question. And he can define the terms at every step of the way.

Vs

People unable to explain how you can identify as some thing when you cant define it.

We have never had an explanation of what these identities actually are that dont use stereotypes or circular definitions.

Gender odeologies can't have it both ways. Its either simple enough to explain to kids in pre schools and have them allegedly " get it and not care. how wonderful and accepting kids are etc.."

Or its so complicated no one can explain or define it with any kind of rationality therfore questions and the documentary is bigotry.

Which is it

This is very true scully. The ridiculousness around forceably changing the meaning of words meant this video was a very easy win.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 07/06/2023 07:43

TraumatisedGooner · 07/06/2023 07:28

The desire for simple answers to every question is dangerous. Walsh has complete control over the way the ‘documentary’ is presented — it’s not hard to exploit that to make yourself look like the voice of reason.

If you want to be the voice of reason may I suggest that you start by being able to define terms that you want to force others to accept?

I really don’t know how you have any respect for yourself

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/06/2023 07:35

But it is a simple question. And he can define the terms at every step of the way.

Vs

People unable to explain how you can identify as some thing when you cant define it.

We have never had an explanation of what these identities actually are that dont use stereotypes or circular definitions.

Gender odeologies can't have it both ways. Its either simple enough to explain to kids in pre schools and have them allegedly " get it and not care. how wonderful and accepting kids are etc.."

Or its so complicated no one can explain or define it with any kind of rationality therfore questions and the documentary is bigotry.

Which is it

HereForTheFreeLunch · 07/06/2023 07:32

Well, nobody stops the left presenting a coherent set of arguments and answering GC questions of safeguarding, safety and fairness.

Haven't seen anything in so many years.

TraumatisedGooner · 07/06/2023 07:28

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/06/2023 07:22

I saw this a few months back. I disagree with alot of his views but ultimately I think the left need to stop " handing it to the right " if people like MW bother them so much.

Maybe if the extreme left could do simple things like answer a question , give coherent definitions and explanations and be as honest as Scott nugent was.

Perhaps if the others hadn't looked like absolute nut jobs MW wouldn't have appeared to have been the rational, intelligent, sensible one.

The desire for simple answers to every question is dangerous. Walsh has complete control over the way the ‘documentary’ is presented — it’s not hard to exploit that to make yourself look like the voice of reason.

TraumatisedGooner · 07/06/2023 07:25

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2023 00:14

Hey Gooner! A really simple question just occurred to me. Apologies it took so long for me to get to it.

My question is Why?

Why would "Murdoch/Murdoch adjacent 'news' organisations" want to "poison" the countries they are in?

It seems like there is an axiomatic belief that that would, but why exactly do you believe that?

If it's just to make money, surely it's easier to pander to existing prejudices than create new ones?

And if it's not to make money, why are they choosing not to make money on this issue when they do on every other? If it's not money, what else drives them to "poison" a country?

Money and power is undoubtedly Murdoch’s objective. I think when you look at Fox News, particularly people like the recently removed Carlson, the strategy appears to be terrifying the viewer. They constantly tell the viewer that they are in danger and under attack. They build loyalty by undermining the individual’s ability to trust other sources. They make the viewer feel like it’s crucial to keep watching so they know what the (usually unnamed) enemy is up to.

As for existing prejudices… I think that generally is what Murdoch’s empire plays on, no? Various forms of fear of difference/fear of others/fear of foreign. Transphobia slots into that very neatly.

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/06/2023 07:22

I saw this a few months back. I disagree with alot of his views but ultimately I think the left need to stop " handing it to the right " if people like MW bother them so much.

Maybe if the extreme left could do simple things like answer a question , give coherent definitions and explanations and be as honest as Scott nugent was.

Perhaps if the others hadn't looked like absolute nut jobs MW wouldn't have appeared to have been the rational, intelligent, sensible one.

TraumatisedGooner · 07/06/2023 07:13

PorcelinaV · 07/06/2023 00:03

Well consider the Daily Wire pundits when they give talks. They don't worry about letting opponents speak at the proper time for that. They don't care about "giving them a platform".

To whatever extent that is actually true, you can look at this very ‘documentary’ to see how Walsh edits those he agrees with versus those he disagrees with. It’s desperately cynical and biased, but not something you’re likely notice if you are very biased yourself.

DemiColon · 07/06/2023 02:14

KJK isn't left wing.

I believe that she was historically mainly a Labour voter, and is probably still what 20 years ago would be considered center-left.