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AnotherDayAnotherView · 02/06/2023 10:39

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ohdelay · 04/06/2023 12:51

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 12:47

Of course you're not going to agree with everything anyone says. But you and the gender critical movement should be conscious of whose support you are garnering. Matt Walsh is not a single issue bigot. Signal boosting this man and his alt right network is not only going to affect trans people. "First they came for the trans people, and I didn't care because I don't like trans people". It's obvious what comes next and/or simultaneously: homophobia, misogyny, and a reversion to 'traditional' Christian values. Do not believe that the gender critical movement is going to be able to apply the brakes at the right time. The right time to distance yourselves from Walsh is right now.

It's a yes or no question and the fact that even Matt Walsh knows the correct answer means maybe he's not the problem. What are you afraid of? If Matt Walsh said the earth was round would you fight him on it, cos alt right or say yes I know?

NotBadConsidering · 04/06/2023 12:50

Why should I distance myself from Matt Walsh? I vehemently disagree with him on some things and vehemently agree with him on others. Plus, he’s funny. I don’t care what people think about how that’s seen as “aligning”.

These left wing/right wing purity spiral threads have been done to death. They’re so utterly trite, all I see from the “distance yourselves” purity spiral brigade who frequent them is a bunch of children who can’t have a grown up independent thought in their own heads unless it’s from the “approved” side. I imagine them to be utter bores in real life because they must go through life according to the script provided to them, robot-like, “Must. Not. Think. For. Myself.” 🥱🥱 😴😴

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 12:47

nolongersurprised · 04/06/2023 12:23

Why does it have to be about “sides” though?

there’s not a single person I agree with everything about. I’m adult enough to like Matt Walsh’s and KJR’s work but not agree with them about everything.

And if it has to be reduced to sides, it’s been disconcerting to find this gender nonsense is the product of the left, and how much some left-wing men despise women.

Of course you're not going to agree with everything anyone says. But you and the gender critical movement should be conscious of whose support you are garnering. Matt Walsh is not a single issue bigot. Signal boosting this man and his alt right network is not only going to affect trans people. "First they came for the trans people, and I didn't care because I don't like trans people". It's obvious what comes next and/or simultaneously: homophobia, misogyny, and a reversion to 'traditional' Christian values. Do not believe that the gender critical movement is going to be able to apply the brakes at the right time. The right time to distance yourselves from Walsh is right now.

ohdelay · 04/06/2023 12:44

HereForTheFreeLunch · 04/06/2023 12:39

When we weren't looking.

The girl who is willing to say she doesn't exists if that's what Walsh says...
I get the metaphysical thing of what exists, what's true... but meanwhile we do have physical reality.

When did truth become so subjective??? My truth or your truth... ffs... there's the truth and there's perspective. Maybe someone's truth doesn't have the full perspective but there's also outright lies.

This is what gets me. She knows she exists, but she is so tied to her cult she will say anything. Same with Starmer, 60yr old man, refusing to say that women can't have penises. Every politician over 40 who says this is an outright liar. I don't believe they believe this, they are standing there screaming 2+2=5 like cultists because they have to.
Same with any medical professional who plays along. There have been no medical miracles or new findings on this and they have been unable to make functional neo genitalia on mice , but happily having a go on humans. When did "do no harm become", let's affirm you with some mutilation.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/06/2023 12:41

Sorry Gooner, meant to quote.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/06/2023 12:41

Perhaps the gender critical movement needs to work harder to distance itself from the alt right

Is that all that's stopping you from acknowledging women's rights, promoting decent child safeguarding and understanding biological reality then? You should have said!

HereForTheFreeLunch · 04/06/2023 12:39

ohdelay · 04/06/2023 12:17

When did biological reality become political?

When we weren't looking.

The girl who is willing to say she doesn't exists if that's what Walsh says...
I get the metaphysical thing of what exists, what's true... but meanwhile we do have physical reality.

When did truth become so subjective??? My truth or your truth... ffs... there's the truth and there's perspective. Maybe someone's truth doesn't have the full perspective but there's also outright lies.

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 12:32

EdgeOfACoin · 04/06/2023 11:38

And when I say 'work harder' I mean 'do anything at all'.

Like endorsing puberty blockers for children, with all the health problems that result from such unnecessary medication?

Like supporting the removal of functioning, healthy body parts from under-18s and gender confused adults?

Like signing up to and promoting the theories of Alfred C Kinsey who investigated orgasms on children and babies from the age of 5 months old?

Like that, you mean?

I think it's quite clear from my post that I'm not saying the gender critical movement does nothing, I am saying that the movemnet does nothing to distance themselves from the likes of Matt Walsh.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 04/06/2023 12:31

Irrespective of what one thinks of Matt Walsh, very blood pressure inducing. These smug condescending people happily throwing women under the bus - the gender studies guy. They took women's studies and turned it all around.

nolongersurprised · 04/06/2023 12:25

Ideologically I would have once had more in common with the chicken lady than Matt Walsh. I mean, that’s fucked up 😀

nolongersurprised · 04/06/2023 12:23

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 11:30

Perhaps the gender critical movement needs to work harder to distance itself from the alt right the likes of Walsh, Peterson, Carlson, and Parker before its too late and the trajectory of the movement is bound to the trajectory of the hyper conservative American right.

And when I say 'work harder' I mean 'do anything at all'.

Why does it have to be about “sides” though?

there’s not a single person I agree with everything about. I’m adult enough to like Matt Walsh’s and KJR’s work but not agree with them about everything.

And if it has to be reduced to sides, it’s been disconcerting to find this gender nonsense is the product of the left, and how much some left-wing men despise women.

ohdelay · 04/06/2023 12:17

When did biological reality become political?

ohdelay · 04/06/2023 12:15

PorcelinaV · 04/06/2023 11:56

??

I think we know why it's been made "political". Because of trans-activism and the claim that TWAW. So it's tied up with people demanding political rights.

That's a symptom. I'd expect Hitler and Ghandi to both come up with the "adult human female" answer if asked what a woman was. It's not a virtue signalling exercise or loyalty test for your "side". It used to just be common sense that even toddlers understood. So what changed?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/06/2023 12:00

EdgeOfACoin · 04/06/2023 11:43

P.S. on the "other side" you have Jordan Peterson saying that you can have masculine girls and feminine boys and that that is completely normal.

I certainly don't agree with everything Peterson says, but he cares a lot more about children with gender dysphoria than most people who claim to speak for them, that's for sure.

And he's incandescent about the men cheating women out of places / sponsorship etc in women's sport.Such a shame that caring about safeguarding children, the erosion of women's sport and women's rights is not being challenged by those purporting to be "on the left" 🙄Still, when people show you who they really are and all that.....

PorcelinaV · 04/06/2023 11:56

ohdelay · 04/06/2023 11:36

Or maybe the gender critical movement should realise that such a basic question is not political at all and if it has been made political why? Ideology really does make some people stupid.

??

I think we know why it's been made "political". Because of trans-activism and the claim that TWAW. So it's tied up with people demanding political rights.

EdgeOfACoin · 04/06/2023 11:43

P.S. on the "other side" you have Jordan Peterson saying that you can have masculine girls and feminine boys and that that is completely normal.

I certainly don't agree with everything Peterson says, but he cares a lot more about children with gender dysphoria than most people who claim to speak for them, that's for sure.

EdgeOfACoin · 04/06/2023 11:38

And when I say 'work harder' I mean 'do anything at all'.

Like endorsing puberty blockers for children, with all the health problems that result from such unnecessary medication?

Like supporting the removal of functioning, healthy body parts from under-18s and gender confused adults?

Like signing up to and promoting the theories of Alfred C Kinsey who investigated orgasms on children and babies from the age of 5 months old?

Like that, you mean?

ohdelay · 04/06/2023 11:36

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 11:30

Perhaps the gender critical movement needs to work harder to distance itself from the alt right the likes of Walsh, Peterson, Carlson, and Parker before its too late and the trajectory of the movement is bound to the trajectory of the hyper conservative American right.

And when I say 'work harder' I mean 'do anything at all'.

Or maybe the gender critical movement should realise that such a basic question is not political at all and if it has been made political why? Ideology really does make some people stupid.

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 11:30

PurpleBugz · 04/06/2023 06:49

@ScrollingLeaves

"Similarly, I was disappointed by the way he answered the question ‘What is a woman’ by showing his feminine looking wife cooking, then asking him, as the strong man, to help open a jar."

Yeah that bit really pissed me off!

I worry that to fight against the trans movement for our kids we will end up more people coming out the other side expecting more traditional roles from people men and women. And as always women will suffer

Perhaps the gender critical movement needs to work harder to distance itself from the alt right the likes of Walsh, Peterson, Carlson, and Parker before its too late and the trajectory of the movement is bound to the trajectory of the hyper conservative American right.

And when I say 'work harder' I mean 'do anything at all'.

LabradorLady1 · 04/06/2023 11:15

By the way her film Kelly Jay in the USA is brilliant 🙌

LabradorLady1 · 04/06/2023 11:14

Backstreets · 02/06/2023 15:46

The gender studies professor is so exactly a character out of a 90s comedy skit. The hair. The childish repetition of Walsh's questions. Then the blue haired doctor with the "does a chicken commit suicide" bit...

Yeah Matt Walsh is a conservative sexist who looked at the radical feminists' homework and passed it off as his own, but it's a good watch.

I totally agree with you Backstreeets. I’m sure Kelly Jay Keene (#standingforxx) and many like her are understandably furious about brave women who have been campaigning about this FOR YEARS being given no recognition in this film but I am so relieved the message has reached over 150 million people so far

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/06/2023 11:10

FFS.

MrsJamin · 04/06/2023 11:09

ScrollingLeaves · 04/06/2023 09:28

Shouldn’t this film be on AIBU somehow, perhaps under a thread relating to aspects of modern American society, ( so it doesn’t stay hidden in ‘gender’)?

There was one in AIBU and MN pulled it because they said it was *unlikely to end well" 🙄

MrsJamin · 04/06/2023 11:07

I watched the whole thing, of course to those on FWR MN we have been discussing these issues for far too long (over 7years for me😕) I'm glad this was put into a format where people who are meant to have the answers clearly have no answer to the main question, what is a woman. It makes it so much clearer that they don't know what they are talking about, rather than making it the Matt Walsh show.
My heart surged for Scott though, her arm looked horrendous 😢

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