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Starmer is the equivalent of the 60 year old man with a medallion and open shirt at a nightclub with those in their early 20s, trying to be down with the kids and failing miserably as he chants TWAW to look cool.

I hear from others how much they hated having an OAP parent as a teen like him.

I care because I believe you're advancing the causes of someone that is transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic, and racist.

Maybe following Traumatised Gooner’s logic, it is instead time for the Left and LGB generally, to dissociate itself from the TRA movement.

Why should I distance myself from Matt Walsh? I vehemently disagree with him on some things and vehemently agree with him on others. Plus, he’s funny. I don’t care what people think about how that’s seen as “aligning”.

This. I have followed him for years, despite disagreeing with him on many things and thinking he is a sexist dick who doesn't give credit to women. But he is funny, and engaging, and he has an uncanny knack of condensing the issues perfectly when speaking about them. He's great at interviews.

Be careful about suggesting that people need to pick sides.

Most people aren't extreme left or right but happily plodding along the middle with some swaying either way. Don't force them into firming a position because it probably won't be with the reality denying side.

What is a woman" is not a yes or no question.

Well no, of course it isn't. It's a category definition. Or a load of turgid cod philosophy sophistry wank, if you are that way inclined.

Why do you care? If you think we're discrediting ourselves by agreeing with Matt Walsh (who I'd never heard of before this film), why does that matter to you?

Why would you care when you disagree with all our concerns about child safeguarding, fairness in sport etc? Are you afraid that we might be stronger if we fight alongside the likes of Matt Walsh?

Also if the worst person in the world agreed with me on this it wouldn't change the facts. Facts don't get truer if more "good" people think it is so.

Quite. Scepticism is generally a good thing, especially of people you agree with as cognitive and conformation bias are well known phenomenons. I try to live by that as much as possible.

Are you part of the gender critical movement? If not, what makes you think that anyone who is would care about your opinions?

See also "I do believe in fairies" not actually bringing more fairies into existence. Also "I don't believe in fairies" hasn't just killed the one I created in the previous sentence.

Looks like a macro version of the micro.

Trans ideology often puts a wedge between kids and their families. It others then and makes them the enemy or transphobic if they question the child's new gender identity.

It feels like every time someone comes out with a faintly gender critical view publicly the same thing happens. 'Some people' try to drive a wedge between different groupings of GC people. Make them the enemy because they believe xyz too.

I didn't like the pink/blue and the depiction of his smiling wife at home making the food needing the strong man to open the jar for her that we saw in what is a woman. But that doesn't mean I have to reject the whole of it. I also believe in binary sex.

As someone said upthread re flat earth believers.

I'm saying that the gender critical movement should avoid signal boosting Matt Walsh because you're advancing all of his causes not just one of them.

Ah, right so.

“DISCLAIMER: I think [whoever I happen to be linking] is a terrible right-winger and I agree with them on nothing else at all, honest.”

That kind of thing?

The fact it’s my own political team taking gender ideology to its extreme is really embarrassing. But I remain left-wing despite the current cult indoctrination.

Also if the worst person in the world agreed with me on this it wouldn't change the facts. Facts don't get truer if more "good" people think it is so.

Can a woman have a penis? No.
Just like that.
I didn't need to call a friend

"What is a woman" is not a yes or no question.

Ultimately if I needed to find a source to argue on my behalf that the Earth is round, I wouldn't struggle to find someone that is (1) an actual subject matter expert and (2) not an awful person.

I'm not disagreeing with Matt Walsh because he's an awful person. I'm saying that the gender critical movement should avoid signal boosting Matt Walsh because you're advancing all of his causes not just one of them.

I thought the film was a powerful summary of where we are, which is in a bad place.

*We wouldn't, agh

We be here in the first place if the left hadn't distanced itself from reality

The health and safety of children and women shouldn’t be a political matter. I’ll take allies who will protect kids and women where I find them. The squeals to denounce MW for being a right winger are just attempts to “divide and rule” IMO. He may be a bit sexist and conservative but he knows not to cut off kids’ breasts and genitals which is the more important point. I’m quite able to agree with him on this and disagree on other matters.

Right wing adjacent/trans suicide/pro nouns seem to be the only arguments gooner et al have got. Load of bollox basically. Suspiciously silent on the women’s sports threads etc where there is science/facts they can’t argue with.

I’m as left-wing as they come and hate “being on the same side” as people like Matt Walsh and media outlets like GB News and newspapers like the Telegraph and Daily Mail. But just like Brexit, one takes one’s allies where one finds them. Doesn’t mean we have to agree with them on anything else. Look at Piers Morgan during the pandemic, one of the only mainstream presenters to try to hold Johnson’s government to account. Still loathe him and everything else he does, like hating on Meghan Markle.

But you and the gender critical movement should be conscious of whose support you are garnering

🤣🤣🤣 we have the support of everyone on the planet who believes in biological reality. We aren’t “garnering” support, dear, we are waking it up. It will include a whole range of different people on all sides of the political spectrum because a whole range of humans across the globe believe in biological reality. Holding a political position isn’t a prerequisite for it. It just is.

”In breaking news, right wing people also believe Earth is not flat. Scientists wary of garnering their support against Flat Earthers”

Said no one ever🤣🤣🤣

@TraumatisedGooner

Or we could write:
"First they came for the LGB and I did not speak up because I was LGB,
Then they came for the universities and I did not speak up because I wasn't at university,
Then they came for the children....."

This obsession with calling TERFs nazis. TERFs are literally arguing AGAINT the sterilisation of mentally I'll children and autistic children- something the actual nazis literally did do.

I call propaganda

How not hope

Funny hope the purity spiral brigade don't distance themselves from violent cancel culture activists. Hypocrites.