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AnotherDayAnotherView · 02/06/2023 10:39

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PurpleBugz · 04/06/2023 19:56

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 19:19

The difference is stark! Adult Human Female screenings have been cancelled because of violent, threatening, screaming males.

But when TRAs go to confront Matt Walsh they do so with a "good sir let me win you over with my reason" attitude, as evidenced in the videos where two trans speakers stood up to question him. Or even in the Dr Phil episode clips shown in the film. When he just goes "no, this is nonsense" they don't rage and abuse, they just get this pathetic :[ expression on their face.

WONDER WHY.

Yup. I was thinking this.

I hate that it's not till men speak up that people listen

Brokendaughter · 04/06/2023 19:46

161.2 million views so far.

It's still up on Twitter & free to watch.

Matt Walsh has also received multiple credible death threats, had to engage armed security at home to protect his family (as well as himself when out & about) plus had a concerted attack recently get his channel demonetised on YouTube.

He doesn't go after the incomes of TRAs & transpeople, or issue threats of harm towards them.

I'm not saying I'm a massive fan of Matt Walsh, but unlike TRAs I do feel I have some common ground with him.

We can disagree about how a woman should act & what rights she should have e.g. over her reproductive functions, but we would both be referring to the same clearly defined group, so we could actually have the conversation.

That would not be possible with a gender ideologist who denies (whilst appropriating) my very existence.

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 19:31

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 19:19

The difference is stark! Adult Human Female screenings have been cancelled because of violent, threatening, screaming males.

But when TRAs go to confront Matt Walsh they do so with a "good sir let me win you over with my reason" attitude, as evidenced in the videos where two trans speakers stood up to question him. Or even in the Dr Phil episode clips shown in the film. When he just goes "no, this is nonsense" they don't rage and abuse, they just get this pathetic :[ expression on their face.

WONDER WHY.

Yeah that's certainly not gone unnoticed by me.

Appalonia · 04/06/2023 19:25

This isn't about left or right, it's about REALITY! I don't agree with pp like Piers Morgan, Kemi Badenock, Miriam Cates, Ron de Santis, Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson etc on lots of things, but on this one, fundamental issue, they are all right. So should I dismiss them all because of that? No I bloody well wont.

Pp I've admired in the past are either to captured or too cowardly to speak, and I've nothing but contempt for them, as it's been left to ordinary ( extraordinary) pp, who have risked a lot to raise the alarm and try and warn pp about what is happening and this huge, destructive, reality denying emergency we are facing right now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/06/2023 19:22

Excellent point, Backstreets, it's quite telling.

Backstreets · 04/06/2023 19:19

The difference is stark! Adult Human Female screenings have been cancelled because of violent, threatening, screaming males.

But when TRAs go to confront Matt Walsh they do so with a "good sir let me win you over with my reason" attitude, as evidenced in the videos where two trans speakers stood up to question him. Or even in the Dr Phil episode clips shown in the film. When he just goes "no, this is nonsense" they don't rage and abuse, they just get this pathetic :[ expression on their face.

WONDER WHY.

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 18:59

I should also add in addition to the link above there are numerous threads on this board about the film, its showings and the treatment meted out to the women who produced it and arranged the events. Strangely they have been treated far worse by TRAs than Matt Walsh has ever been.

maranella · 04/06/2023 18:57

Ageingweightlifter · 02/06/2023 14:47

Adult Human female is on vimeo and free to watch. Features many British feminists and isn't made by a bloke

They're both worth watching IMO. Matt is very right-wing, although to be fair I didn't realise until the last 15 mins, when he starts discussing his own views. Up to that point, I was amazed at how poker-faced he was, just asking questions and listening to the answers without offering any kind of opinion.

Some of the people he interviewed though were seriously scary and the extent to which young and middle-aged American women are captured is terrifying. That paediatrician with the short, purplish hair and supposedly hundreds of child patients Shock

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/06/2023 18:54

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:43

Which very left wing feminists are you referring to? I’d like to watch that.

If I answer your question will you be able to see me?

Adult Human Female film can be found here:

https://adulthumanfemale.info/

now, about my questions, I now have 2

  1. please describe the gender identity that cis women and trans women share

  2. if you can't do that, can you explain why?

home

home

https://adulthumanfemale.info

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 18:52

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:43

Which very left wing feminists are you referring to? I’d like to watch that.

https://adulthumanfemale.info

home

home

https://adulthumanfemale.info

Theladyinluna · 04/06/2023 18:52

Hepwo · 04/06/2023 17:59

I know pp was saying the bit about his son at the start and his wife opening the jar was a joke but I really don't think it was

Jar opening is a universal sex difference joke! Unless it's someone who believes in God or something, is that what you are suggesting? Is that the explanation? The majority of the UK believed in God until 5 minutes ago, so is it not joking or joking depending on when they stopped believing?

The left have some weird bigotted views about normal people.

My God, I think I have finally worked out what's behind this prejudice infused rant. Took me a while as it was so utterly detached from my reality.

Firstly, I am not left wing. I'm apolitical and have not voted for a left wing party for about 15-20 years.

Secondly, I have a masters degree in religion, have spent considerably many more years studying religion as a personal interest, have great respect for people of faith, spent a lot of time with people of faith and have a great many friends who are people of faith. I have a particular interest in Christianity, Judaism and Islam. If it weren't for the fact I am a continual name changer I could tell you to look up the many times I have defended people of faith on this site.

There is no doubt in my mind, having watched a number of Matt Walsh's videos that he firmly believes that men and women have different aptitudes, personalities and roles based based on their sex. I have no doubt he meant it when he said a boy is happy with a gun but a girl is complicated. I have no doubt that scene at the end with the wife in the kitchen was because he believes men and women have different roles.

It should have been possible for you to disagree with me on that without launching into a personal attack on me of your own prejudiced fantasy.

maranella · 04/06/2023 18:52

The two old guys on the street in San Francisco, buck naked but for cock socks were hilarious. You can never be the weirdest person on the street in San Francisco 😂

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/06/2023 18:48

@TraumatisedGooner

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh

I think this is the first thing you've said that I wholeheartedly agree with.

I genuinely think most TRAs (not all) are motivated by a desire to make things better by challenging sexist roles attached to physical sex. They've just got a bit sidetracked into thinking the sexist roles are somehow innate in people's minds so the solution is to open them up to either sex rather than just get rid of them (a sidetrack that is having, let's not minimise here, pretty catastrophic results for women's social and political progress and for the poor individuals who are being influenced to physically alter their bodies).

The problem is that until the TRAs will let us talk to them, or indeed let us talk to anyone vaguely left leaning without them jumping in to warn everyone not to listen to us, and actually listen to us openmindedly and hear what we are really saying (which we know they are not doing today because of how utterly wrong they are whenever they try to describe what the GC position is), we are blocked from recognising that middle ground and finding meaningful compromises. Or even better, a new third way combining the best insights of both parties.

So if you truly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh, you need to stand up for GCs and help us get our voices heard. Because until that happens, until there is a space on the left for people who don't think replacing sexism with genderism is progressive, the so-called left are forcing moderate people to chose between condoning the worst excesses of genderism (the betrayal of women, the medicalisation of totally natural gender non-conformism) or joining with the right.

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 18:45

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:40

He’s a misogynistic, homophobic, nationalist demagogue with an increasingly powerful platform. I can’t even imagine how warped your view of trans people must be to think they pose more danger.

The gender industrial complex is worth billions of dollars globally. Compared to pharmaceutical and medical lobbying plus all the other interests this serves Walsh and The Daily Wire are small fry in comparison.

PurpleBugz · 04/06/2023 18:44

nothingcomestonothing · 04/06/2023 18:34

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

Hahahaha no.

On this topic actually...

I just finished reading Kathleen stocks book. Material girls. In it she comments on how non-binary people may actually find common ground in fighting gender stereotypes with GC people. Reading that section did have me wondering if that's partly why there is such opposition to her book if TRA actually read it they could side with the GC

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:43

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 17:48

If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film

Oh come the fuck on. More recently a group of very left wing feminists made a similar film from a left wing perspective and they've been hounded, no platformed and both verbally and physically attacked. So let's not pretend you and other TRAs believe there is a 'reasonable' way for women to share information or highlight the many harms of this ideology.

We're all perfectly aware of the views Walsh holds that go against feminist thought the big difference here is that I can openly say what I think of fundamentalist Christian views in pretty much any setting and not be penalised, lose my job or arrested. The same cannot be said about the religion of Gender.

Which very left wing feminists are you referring to? I’d like to watch that.

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:40

nothingcomestonothing · 04/06/2023 18:34

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

Hahahaha no.

He’s a misogynistic, homophobic, nationalist demagogue with an increasingly powerful platform. I can’t even imagine how warped your view of trans people must be to think they pose more danger.

Theladyinluna · 04/06/2023 18:39

OvaHere · 04/06/2023 17:48

If Matt Walsh was just a conservative christian American, then it would be perfectly reasonable to spread this film

Oh come the fuck on. More recently a group of very left wing feminists made a similar film from a left wing perspective and they've been hounded, no platformed and both verbally and physically attacked. So let's not pretend you and other TRAs believe there is a 'reasonable' way for women to share information or highlight the many harms of this ideology.

We're all perfectly aware of the views Walsh holds that go against feminist thought the big difference here is that I can openly say what I think of fundamentalist Christian views in pretty much any setting and not be penalised, lose my job or arrested. The same cannot be said about the religion of Gender.

Quite. There is no right way to have these conversations for TRAs, and not right person to hold these views. People with excellent credentials are also damned and attacked - see JK Rowling and the left wing women who have spent their lives fighting on before on the most marginalised.

Its just a load of shite to pretend otherwise.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/06/2023 18:37

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

Sadly, believing that my sex is just a feeling a sexist man can have, despite all the many issues it causes me, is a dealbreaker for me.

Theladyinluna · 04/06/2023 18:35

Hepwo · 04/06/2023 17:59

I know pp was saying the bit about his son at the start and his wife opening the jar was a joke but I really don't think it was

Jar opening is a universal sex difference joke! Unless it's someone who believes in God or something, is that what you are suggesting? Is that the explanation? The majority of the UK believed in God until 5 minutes ago, so is it not joking or joking depending on when they stopped believing?

The left have some weird bigotted views about normal people.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

nothingcomestonothing · 04/06/2023 18:34

I firmly believe that GCs and TRAs have more interests in common than either do with Matt Walsh.

Hahahaha no.

PurpleBugz · 04/06/2023 18:21

namitynamechange · 04/06/2023 18:08

I mean, if anything I am more concerned about the fact that (according to the narrative of the documentary) Matt Walsh suddenly needed an answer to the question of what a woman is that he left his home and embarked an a journey across America (plus a quick trip to Africa). It must have been weeks later that he returned to his home. So how long had his wife been standing there waiting for him to open the jar???

😂😂

And why didn't he just ask his wife in the first place rather than jetting off on his adventure

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/06/2023 18:17

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:16

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-walsh/matt-walshs-sordid-history-radio-host-exposed

I’m not going to apologise for highlighting who and what this man is. Not a single thing I said there misrepresents him.

So about gender identity?

have you given any thought to why you’re so unable to answer this?

namitynamechange · 04/06/2023 18:17

Jewel1968 · 04/06/2023 17:34

Would find a documentary that focused on the history and who benefits more interesting. I do think societal gender stereotypes is what is behind much of this alongside group think. This doc I guess has shone a light on some of it but the guy holding the torch is part of the problem. And he has no idea.

That trip to the Maasai people - what was that trying to prove? Was that his way of showing us that there are traditional roles that Men and Women have?

I thought the maasai bit was a riposte to the "binary ideas of male and female are a Western colonialist concept we imposed on the rest of the world" narrative

TraumatisedGooner · 04/06/2023 18:16

Hepwo · 04/06/2023 18:05

I think it is absurd for a feminist movement that argues their interests are protecting women's rights to be embracing a man who thinks girls should be impregnated young so they can produce more white babies. Don't worry though he wants to make sure they're married before they're impregnated.

Fucking hell, what a lot of spiteful manipulative shit you write.

You are addressing mothers, it's mumsnet. Try a bit of civility, if you have any. Actually it's very very clear you don't.

Do not bother replying, I will be skipping over any more of your abusive rubbish.

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-walsh/matt-walshs-sordid-history-radio-host-exposed

I’m not going to apologise for highlighting who and what this man is. Not a single thing I said there misrepresents him.

Matt Walsh’s sordid history as a radio host, exposed

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-walsh/matt-walshs-sordid-history-radio-host-exposed