What is a woman: Daily Wire documentary on for limited time for free

Have you watched it Merrymouse? The film doesn't really discuss Matt's views on whether "gender" is innate, a couple of sequences could be interpreted that way, but I think his view is more in support of gendered roles than gendered personalities. Indeed he platforms Jordan Peterson to support the notion that there are (many) girls with so called masculine traits and vice versa; that there isn't that much difference between the temperament of males and females.

Plus doesn't this:

My impression is that the idea that a boy who likes Barbie must be a girl is more right wing.

contradict this:

The documentary seems to be proposing the third idea [Right wing: Gender is innate. Sex cannot be changed.]

I am not particularly saying you are wrong that his support for supporting gendered roles could create its own harms, but they are not the same harms.

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Brilliant!

Gender ideology, that has resulted in children being chemically castrated, rendered sterile and in the amputation of children’s breasts has come from and been promoted by the political left.

My impression is that the idea that a boy who likes Barbie must be a girl is more right wing.

Somewhere there is a Venn diagram that illustrates this, but I can’t find it:

Gender critical Feminist: Gender is a harmful social construct. Sex cannot be changed.

Gender ideology: Gender is innate. Sex can be changed.

Right wing: Gender is innate. Sex cannot be changed.

The documentary seems to be proposing the third idea, so is not helpful to anyone challenging gender ideology, as it endorses the social constructs that lead to people thinking that gender non conforming = in wrong body.

Oh, I'm mistaken, I thought you didn't want people to watch it because of the content and are using Walsh as the faux reason.

As you can plainly see, loads of people are criticising him and watching it.

As in 'Yes, Walsh is sexist, but oh dear gold, look at all these unhinged zealots damaging children. I had no idea it was that bad!'

I assume you agree with that?

Am just watching it now and I thought from the trailer I knew what was in it, but OMG it is so much better than I had imagine d!

You're being hyperbolic again. He made a documentary that garnered a lot of attention. People who are not part of the American right wing have discussed and critiqued it. Women have watched and critiqued it because why shouldn't we? It's out there so we may as well take an informed view of the content.

Just from this thread it's easy to see there's parts of it many did not like or agree with. Other parts of it were a rehash of arguments women have long been making.

The most interesting parts that did actually add value really were nothing to do with Walsh himself or his views - those were the interviews where various other people spoke in their own words.

A cursory glance at twitter today shows large swathes of GC Twitter having a go at Walsh and the Daily Wire for egregiously lying about throwing the first brick at Stonewall being the first people to raise these issues.

Both TRAs and the Daily Wire appear to be adept at rewriting women's history to suit their purpose so perhaps the commonality is not with us at all.

I think people who go on about this "promoting bad viewpoints" stuff must at some level know that a lot of their ideas are built on sand.

They seem to be terrified that people will hear those with other opinions explain why they think what they do, and that the listeners will be persuaded away from their alignment with the progressive left.

My suggestion would be to work on making their own arguments and behaviour more persuasive. Because right now that is failing pretty spectacularly.

@TraumatisedGooner why don’t you spend any time telling Matt Walsh how good it is for him to be learning from left wing GC feminists and how it can help him climb down from his extreme positions on other views as a result?

After all, if you think left wing GC feminists might inadvertently elevate Walsh, isn’t the reverse true that Walsh might inadvertently elevate left wing GC feminist views?

Of course you're not going to agree with everything anyone says. But you and the gender critical movement should be conscious of whose support you are garnering. Matt Walsh is not a single issue bigot. Signal boosting this man and his alt right network is not only going to affect trans people. "First they came for the trans people, and I didn't care because I don't like trans people". It's obvious what comes next and/or simultaneously: homophobia, misogyny, and a reversion to 'traditional' Christian values. Do not believe that the gender critical movement is going to be able to apply the brakes at the right time. The right time to distance yourselves from Walsh is right now.

If you can tell me how to distance myself from Matt Walsh and say, Marci Bowers, I’ll consider it, @TraumatisedGooner.

... what?

This isn't about 'being on the same side'. I've not criticised the similarity in position between the gender critical movement and Matt Walsh. I've criticised the degree to which those in the gender critical movement is willing to support, embrace and elevate him.

Also, while I cannot stand the Tories, the people you've referred to aren't white nationalists. I think there's a real lack of perspective here. Matt Walsh's viewpoints are way off the deepend.

First they came for the children - sterilising, chemically castrating them - and I did not speak out because the other people speaking out weren’t exactly the same as me.

Another thing I don’t understand from the “aligned with crew” is:

Gender ideology, that has resulted in children being chemically castrated, rendered sterile and in the amputation of children’s breasts has come from and been promoted by the political left.

So when the political, conservative right calls gender ideology out for being dangerous, and frankly, insane, how and why is it suddenly a “slippery slope” to agree with them?

It’s absolutely nuts that people are told that speaking out against the chemical castration and sterilisation of gay and/or autistic and/or traumatised is wrong because “their side” hasn’t done it.

Seems appropriate for this thread.

https://www.evakurilova.com/p/obey-us-or-the-conservatives-will

Goddess knows I’m grateful to actual TERFs and Separatist Lesbians for sounding the alarm for DECADES before anyone else took up the baton but we need all hands on deck to stop a generation of vulnerable teens from having their genitals amputated.

Another (tirelessly repeated 🙄) question I’ve asked many times is this: why does no one ever lecture the right wing people like Matt Walsh about being careful aligning themselves with left wing feminists, lest he be swayed from his current way of thinking and amplify left wing feminist ideology?🤔

Good post from WDI (on the ridiculous Daily Wire claim they started this movement, but it's also a fair assessment of the film and Matt): https://womensdeclarationusa.com/no-daily-wire-matt-walsh-did-not-start-a-movement-to-protect-women-and-children-from-radical-gender-ideology/

From what I've seen, misogynistic and homophobic isn't even the worst way you could describe a lot of TRAs. And you didn't say 'GC and trans people' have more in common, you said GCs and TRAs. I really don't agree I have much in common with a lot of TRAs, at all.

Dude, children are being sterilised, chemically castrated and their body parts are being amputated in the name of gender ideology.

Matt Walsh has made an effective documentary exposing gender ideology and for that I am pleased.

This whole thread is about people discussing how the video shows some of the problems with trans ideology in a way which will talk to masses, but showing a level of sexism in the same time.

Maybe we can see it the other way round. If an idea is opposed both from "left" and "right", maybe it is just a really terrible idea.

Don’t forget Nikki Sinclaire - Trans UK MEP!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Sinclaire

That was great, thanks for the link!

That's what I thought, too.

Neither do they seem at all bothered about being on the same side as other right-wingers:
Jamie Wallis (first trans MP)
Gillian Keegan
Caroline Nokes
Fox News respects employees' pronouns and gender identity
Crispin Blunt
Maria Miller
Penny Mordaunt

TraumatisedGooner do you agree you are aligned with Fox News in the way you have tried to claim that GC feminists are aligned with Matt Walsh?