British cycling: the forums frong

Velocio doesn't understand what intersectionality means. If we used Velocio's definition, then feminism would have to be a movement which fights every single thing that is wrong in this world, pretty much, whomever it might affect, and that is a) impossible, b) never demanded of any social justice movements and c) a way to ultimately bury feminism for good.

True intersectionality is about understanding that the way misogyny, sexism etc. affects women and girls also depends on where they are positioned in the society along other axes of oppression.

Race, ethnicity, age, social class, sexual orientation, disability, religion etc. can all affect how and to what extent and how sexism and misogyny affect women and girls, and understanding that, in all its complexity, is an important task for feminist analysis.

But if we drop out 'sex' in that list of possible intersections, then we are no longer talking about feminism, but about something different.

Wow, that Velocio is so hoity toity. Gotta be that lycra on WAYYYY too tight!

All that "ooh, transphobes, I'm shutting it all down!"

While all around him the "transphobes" are converging, stating mild reservations and genuine conceptual irregularities.

Only "BrokenBetty" can stay, but God DAMN is she a transphobe too...but heart in the right place...just shut up with the transphobia, already.

This stuff would be so ripe for a David Brent spoof mocumentary...I wonder if he'd have the balls?

This intersecting bullshit really does piss me off. So the only way for men to accept that black women, disabled women, Asian women, working women, any woman different from the stereotype in their head is a woman is if men are women too.
That can all fuck off.

Thanks - I hadn't come across that term before and google was no help!

The right side of history- it’s irony because they are very likely not to be.

Anyway the thread is still there https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/379802/?offset=625 but has been locked because the mod is upset.
The mod’s last post makes it quite clear where he stands
“If your feminism isn't intersectional, then it's not feminism.”
Aka if your feminism doesn’t centre men then it’s not allowed. 🙄

@Brevet1000 what's TRSOH?

It was funny to read the ‘don’t look at Mumsnet, the horror’. Why, scared the fence sitters and undecided might learn something?

Having read through the last week on that thread (the British cycling one), yes the mod is trans. Several people were of the “if you say a trans woman is a man you are hateful, transphobic etctetc”. I was pleasantly surprised to read sensible, thoughtful discussion in between those posting the usual splenetic plus an uber stirring troll who all parties asked to leave it out.

looks like the thread was closed down? at any rate I now can't access it despite not having posted/been banned or anything.

I'll go out on a wild limb and guess that the forum is moderated by a trans-identifying male who thinks he should of course be allowed to compete against women; that he's every bit as much a woman as any other; and, to the doubtful extent that he concedes they exist, the legacy advantages conferred by his silly little cock and balls (and associated T levels) should be viewed as a 'superpower' on a par with Michael Phelps' wingspan etc etc?

As you probably (already) know Sam, there’s another cycling forum with a daily running commentary from TRSOH (i.e. the TRA side) which includes escalating unpleasant language, mostly aimed at women.
Judging by the posters who pop in there, I think there is an increasing number of silent readers being peaked due to the aforementioned vitriolic content.

The comments on the road.cc and cycling weakly posts about British Cycling rule changes were hearteningly sensible in the main too.

I hadn’t looked at lgss recently but assumed which side of the gender bread they were buttered.

God, it’s depressing isn’t it! I paraphrase:

Fairness for women is completely irrelevant compared to addressing the HUGE number of trans suicides - which are stated as being ‘hidden’ on account of, no one can find the data 🙄

Meanwhile the obvious way to stop trans people killing themselves is to ensure TW have access to women’s races to win. 🙄🙄
Obviously, TM have too much testosterone to compete, so they just have to vacate competitive sport. Which is fine because they are, y’know <whispers> women

Emoji of the day - 🙄 - again!

You gotta love Velocio. Anything varying from the TWAW line, and it's game over re discussion. No ifs, no buts.

You might get rinsed on MN taking a TRA view, but noone will tell you what you can't say, and you'll be argued against to within an inch of your life. But you'll never be told you can't hold your view or that you can't promote it. Just that you bloody well be prepared to justify it.

But the TRAs like Velocio? They know best, they know all. Anything and everyone else is silenced.

Have you ever seen a "rights" movement more guilty of emptiness, so intellectually barren, so fragile as to be vulnerable to the merest pushback, and so lacking in pride that it needs to hide from scrutiny?

I haven't.

Hadn’t realised that was set up by you @CyclingSam 👍.

Have you seen the recent Fair Play for Women video, with Daley Thompson? Not cycling specific but objective and worth sharing.

Yep, it wouldn’t be a forum for me with a moderator with attitudes like that, and you will never be able to convince them. If they can’t understand the need for fairness in women’s sport and that males who have been through puberty retain physiological advantages in spite of any hormone treatment then they are totally ignorant. Podium places are being taken away from women that deserve them, and that is not on.

I've given up with cycling forums, it's mostly men in them who never considered women to begin with.

Fighting a losing battle there.