British cycling: the forums frong

@SausageandEggMcMuffin that all sounds nice and sensible, but can the ‘Kate’s’ still win all the women’s events? I mean, every elite race, nationals and some world… it’s A LOT. And has nothing changed then? Despite this group of friendly sensible good sorts you describe? Because that’s just disheartening.

https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/uci-bans-trans-women-from-female-events/

There's been a noticeable shift here from earlier threads on similar issues

What a bunch of wicked witches you all are. Oops, that's me too. Am I an evil wizard? Damn, that Harry Potter reference, and they told me not to go near there.

So hateful and uneducatuonal.

I feel quite warm and fuzzy now.

Was there any discussion or comments? Or were you and your post so swiftly booted that reaction was impossible?

Nicely written Sam. Right now, Ross Tucker, Emma Hilton, Cathy Devine, are taking apart IOC cowardice here.

As Helen Joyce put it so succinctly, the trans rubber is hitting the cold reality tarmac.

My addendum is, as with all car crashes, the results ain't pretty.

That response educates us fully everything we need to know about him.

I do like this warning "Please do not link Mumsnet and JK Rowling... neither need more attention for their hate, and it's not educational either"

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This is very good to hear.
I've always thought that no matter how dark this has all looked for girls and women, common sense and logic will win out in the end.
Because the alternative pretty much means the modern Western world, built on the Enlightenment, would fall back into a dark age predicated on pure superstition.
I can't see us as peoples going for that, quite frankly.

Hi everyone,
Long time lurker, first time poster here.
I thought I’d just give you some positivity from the world of Mountain Biking.
Mountain bike racing has been scratching its head about this whole issue for a few years now. Back in 2018 in New Zealand a chap called Anton Weatherly (a very mid-category male downhill racer) decided they wanted to be a lady called Kate and the following season won every New Zealand National Women’s Elite race, the national championships and then went on to compete at a world level, gaining several world cup podiums. There was obviously a lot of eye-rolling about this, but the UCI, forums and comments were heavily moderated towards “be kind” and TWAW.
One of the main Mountain Bike news Websites is Pinkbike.com (not associated with Pink news though) and, at the time, they seemed to be fully on board with this and deleting “transphobic” posts and shutting down any debate.
Fast forward to last week’s announcement about British Cycling limiting Trans Women in female categories, PinkBike.com ran an article … (comments at the bottom)
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/british-cycling-limites-transgender-women-competing-in-female-categories.html
Thankfully it seems that the entire mountain biking community seems to be overwhelmingly on the side of women. Any TWAW nonsense has been thoroughly downvoted.
I am really encouraged by this and have always known us Mountain Bikers are the good guys. I’ve been riding for 30+ years, and we just don’t seem to attract entitled misogynists as you do in other cycling disciplines (I’m looking at you road riding).
Just thought you’d like to know you brilliant women seem to have a pretty sizeable group of allies over here.

Amazing that bullying is now elites sanctioned.

I don't think LFGSS are really representative of UK cyclists at large. It's basically London-based hipsters. Comments under road.cc articles are not censored and are probably (hopefully!) more representative. And of course the vast majority of cyclists have got better things to do, like getting out on the bike, then posting on forums or twitter (I am aware of the irony of this statement).

Gotta love it. From our nouveau faux feminists,

"...some women think of feminism as woman-centered..."

I think we'll find that was, like, all women back in the day.

Even at the height of gay oppression and black rights trampled, no woman would have said the rights of gay males, black males, was in any way a feminist issue.

Gay rights, anti racism, humanist even, yes. Feminist, no.

So now feminism is co-opted to fight for men, especially those cos-playing at being female.

Your ID and language co-opted. Even your organising.

"Seemingly because trans men don’t really feature in the Great Trans Panic. Possibly because the reason people fixate on trans women is because hatred of trans women is simply a further expression of society’s deep rooted misogyny."

It's just added DARVO gaslighting.

Velocio doesn't understand what intersectionality means. If we used Velocio's definition, then feminism would have to be a movement which fights every single thing that is wrong in this world, pretty much, whomever it might affect, and that is a) impossible, b) never demanded of any social justice movements and c) a way to ultimately bury feminism for good.

Compulsory Magdalen Berns video on this:

(I am assured Everyday Feminism is a real site, not a parody, and there are some real women who actually fall for it...)

I hate that Karl Popper quote so much. It always gives me a mental image of a particular kind of person saying it...

"Seemingly because trans men don’t really feature in the Great Trans Panic. Possibly because the reason people fixate on trans women is because hatred of trans women is simply a further expression of society’s deep rooted misogyny."

This is also so void of any intelligence. Yes it is misogyny, but misogyny of not caring about females. Not to mention that transmen don't impact men the way transwomen harm women.

"Just a reminder that your forum admin is in the trans-umbrella and not shy about it, identify as non-binary and very much going to enforce a zero-transphobia policy.
British Cycling were assholes before this latest move, unfortunately I can't throw a strop and remove affiliation as I'd already done that with BC. But I can ban transphobes who even think they can use this space to further their views, and will do so on subtle digs and nuance too... I won't wait for blatant statements.
So this is the general warning, that if you don't think transwomen are women, and that transmen are men... then this forum is a place of very thin ice for you."

Moderator fragile ego on steroids. Talks about phobia but has no gripe calling an organisation "assholes".