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Gender Wars - Channel 4 - 10pm tonight

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chouxchoux · 30/05/2023 20:43

With the brilliant Kathleen Stock.

Anyone planning to watch?

(Apologies if there’s an existing thread I’ve missed).

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Datun · 30/05/2023 22:35

BettyFilous · 30/05/2023 22:32

I thought this. The transwoman mentioned going home from the pub because there were no gender neutral toilets, completely failing to recognise that there are many, more women who can’t use mixed sex toilets and will be limited in how they engage in public life.

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Also, I'm not sure people are going to buy the fact that they had to go all the way home to find a gender neutral toilet. There are dozens of them around. Should've popped into the pub next door.

All the more reason to campaign for more of them, I should imagine.

Datun · 30/05/2023 22:34

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:30

Dr Finn taking the Scottish Gov line that 'abusive men don't need to transition'.

Perhaps not, Dr Finn. But some do. As we've seen.

Ams the point being that there is no transition necessary. There is no criteria.

dapsnotplimsolls · 30/05/2023 22:33

I assume the producers couldn't find any balaclava nutters.

MaybeDoctor · 30/05/2023 22:33

I wonder if they needed to explain the basics a bit more at the beginning? I think some might still watch it and not quite get the issue.

Carriemac · 30/05/2023 22:32

None of the trans women sound like a woman
they're also good at mansplaining

BettyFilous · 30/05/2023 22:32

WarningToTheCurious · 30/05/2023 22:28

Oh good. The urinary leash that kept women at home for centuries has now been raised.

I thought this. The transwoman mentioned going home from the pub because there were no gender neutral toilets, completely failing to recognise that there are many, more women who can’t use mixed sex toilets and will be limited in how they engage in public life.

DrudgeJedd · 30/05/2023 22:32

PronounsBaby · 30/05/2023 21:06

Speaking of the Oxford protester, why is twitter assuming her their mum is a terf? Also is there a way to watch the debate? Was it recorded? (Sorry if this is being discussed elsewhere)

No idea but I've just looked at her dad's Twitter & he's a full-time XR protestor who likes to sail his boat around the Greek islands when he's not up before the beak for chucking red paint about.
You really couldn't make these people up.

Helleofabore · 30/05/2023 22:31

Remarkable that they have shown the women protesting and how different it is to the extreme TRAs.

Motorina · 30/05/2023 22:30

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:27

Wow, I think that's the first time I've heard a transwoman acknowledge that their voice/presence could alarm or frighten a woman.

Yes, I found that incredibly striking.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:30

Dr Finn taking the Scottish Gov line that 'abusive men don't need to transition'.

Perhaps not, Dr Finn. But some do. As we've seen.

JoanOgden · 30/05/2023 22:28

Nice to have a moderate voice in Katy Jon Went (who has a lovely cat).

WarningToTheCurious · 30/05/2023 22:28

Oh good. The urinary leash that kept women at home for centuries has now been raised.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:27

Wow, I think that's the first time I've heard a transwoman acknowledge that their voice/presence could alarm or frighten a woman.

JanesLittleGirl · 30/05/2023 22:26

RealityFan · 30/05/2023 22:21

She'd looked into the great blue yonder when Ed Balls "interviewed" her. That great blue yonder being the space between his ears.

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There is no space between his ears. You need a breadknife to prise his ears apart.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:24

Male violence getting mentioned. This is good.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:21

I love 'non binary identities are non binary'. It's the worst slogan in the world. Could they really not come up with something a bit more punchy?

At least TWAW and TMAM are kind of breathtaking in their batshit audacity.

The poor wee nonbinaries just get a limp tautology.

WarningToTheCurious · 30/05/2023 22:21

Whenever I’ve seen Katy Jon they have always been a sensible voice.

RealityFan · 30/05/2023 22:21

JoanOgden · 30/05/2023 22:13

We're only 12 mins and there have already been 89 shots of Kathleen Stock staring into the middle distance. This is my dream TV programme Grin

She'd looked into the great blue yonder when Ed Balls "interviewed" her. That great blue yonder being the space between his ears.

Datun · 30/05/2023 22:20

dapsnotplimsolls · 30/05/2023 22:19

I wonder if there'll be any mention of AGP.

It's absolutely pivotal. But still so taboo unfortunately.

soddingspiderseason · 30/05/2023 22:20

Have just shouted my first expletive. Kathleen Stock saying eminently sensible things. The 'other side' not so much.

Rightsraptor · 30/05/2023 22:19

An awful lot of TWAW/TMAM/NB are valid going on. Can't they think of other mantras? But already so little in the way of real substance.

dapsnotplimsolls · 30/05/2023 22:19

I wonder if there'll be any mention of AGP.

Helleofabore · 30/05/2023 22:19

Why do female trans people think their voices pass?

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chouxchoux · 30/05/2023 22:19

Me too, @JoanOgden! She is a phenomenally striking woman.

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ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:17

Watching it now - missed the beginning.

Nice production values.

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