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Gender Wars - Channel 4 - 10pm tonight

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chouxchoux · 30/05/2023 20:43

With the brilliant Kathleen Stock.

Anyone planning to watch?

(Apologies if there’s an existing thread I’ve missed).

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literallyarabbit · 30/05/2023 23:11

Stock is magnificent. However, I found the programme a little disappointing overall and can't help but feel so much was left out - trans-ing of children, the confusion/conflation with UK/US trans rights and of course, the huge elephant in the room - AGP.

But, it was an excellent starting point and hopefully will encourage more people to speak out.

Motorina · 30/05/2023 23:10

India is being unhappy on twitter.

WarningToTheCurious · 30/05/2023 23:09

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 23:03

I wonder if Katy Jon is still using women's spaces, despite their realisation that this could scare/frighten/alarm women?

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At least Katy Jon recognises it and sees it as a valid concern.

How much that has modified behaviour, who knows.

Datun · 30/05/2023 23:09

I know it was billed as being evenhanded, and yes it was. But it was really far too superficial, in my opinion.

Basically let's just all be nice and talk.

There was no debate. No argument. No proper real life examples, particularly, or why women need single sex spaces. No talking about women's trauma in a rape refuge. No talking about elderly women who want same-sex intimate care. Nothing about sport.

Just skimmed the surface.

The two digging transmen genuinely look like they have a lot of issues.

All the trans people talking about hate, but not a single bloody example of it!

Is it a series? Because otherwise I don't really see that it achieved anything.

Rightsraptor · 30/05/2023 23:08

Not much analysis there at all. If I didn't already know way too much about it, having spent far too much of the last 5 years immersed in this stuff, I am not sure I'd be much wiser after watching that.

Was it because of those Norwich Green Party weirdos that Graham Linehan moved from Norwich, do we know? I think they'd chase me away.

Jux · 30/05/2023 23:06

Disappointing overall.

dapsnotplimsolls · 30/05/2023 23:06

That should definitely have been part 1 of 3 or 4.

dapsnotplimsolls · 30/05/2023 23:05

coronabeer · 30/05/2023 23:01

Like a camp David Brent.

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😂

Jellycats4life · 30/05/2023 23:05

Katy Jon has a rather too-large hoard of unread book in that study. Imagine having all that staring you down every day.

Well I assume they’re unread, unless Katy is an impressive speed reader.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 23:04

Bowednotbroken · 30/05/2023 23:03

Far too much missed out - I feel it might be misunderstood by those who don't know much?

Yes. It felt like it was just only starting to set the scene, and then it stopped!

No deep looks into the arguments.

This could easily be a whole series - but that's often the problem - where the fuck do you start, where do you stop?

coronabeer · 30/05/2023 23:04

The choir was very baritone for a women’s choir.

waterlego · 30/05/2023 23:04

@coronabeer, yes that’s it exactly! I was thinking of Brent but yes, a camper version 😂

I don’t know what to say about the hymn.

Jux · 30/05/2023 23:03

I do love the way Scott speaks, not just how she expresses herself, but how she sounds and how she forms her speech. If I were L I'd have a terrible crush.

Bowednotbroken · 30/05/2023 23:03

Far too much missed out - I feel it might be misunderstood by those who don't know much?

PonyPatter44 · 30/05/2023 23:03

Why won't any of them explain what human / civil rights trans people are not being afforded in the UK at present?

Ndd135632 · 30/05/2023 23:03

But do you think people get WHY it matters ? I am not sure that point was talked about clearly enough. Julie talked about violence but it is so much more than violence. It is also our data, our sports prizes, our dignity and our language.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 23:03

WarningToTheCurious · 30/05/2023 23:02

Katy Jon will be put in the same box as Debbie Hayton. Far too reasonable.

I wonder if Katy Jon is still using women's spaces, despite their realisation that this could scare/frighten/alarm women?

NotTerfNorCis · 30/05/2023 23:02

They didn't go into the gender critical argument deeply enough. I didn't see anything about transwomen in women's sports for instance. There were far more TRA voices.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 23:02

'what is a woman' isn't a debate we should be having?

Not up to you, pal.

WarningToTheCurious · 30/05/2023 23:02

Katy Jon will be put in the same box as Debbie Hayton. Far too reasonable.

AccidentallyFabulous · 30/05/2023 23:02

JoanOgden · 30/05/2023 22:59

Oh the Linda-Katy Jon love-in is rather charming

Isn't it?

coronabeer · 30/05/2023 23:01

waterlego · 30/05/2023 22:58

Oh goodness, the dark haired bearded transman is a bit insufferable.

Like a camp David Brent.

AutumnCrow · 30/05/2023 23:01

waterlego · 30/05/2023 22:58

Oh goodness, the dark haired bearded transman is a bit insufferable.

Good luck Norwich

Jux · 30/05/2023 23:00

On the one side they're taking away trans people's rights and on the other there's trans people. NO YOU SILLY BINT

On the one side they're taking away women's rights.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 23:00

'let's just get on with our lives'

Aye, sure. Afford women their rights as enshrined in law and we can all go home.