Gender Wars - Channel 4 - 10pm tonight

Aw. It could be! A new language, maybe?

Thanks. So not a new hang out for terfs.

“I don't understand the bit about how young people are now more fluid and breaking away from strict boundaries. It seems the opposite to me.”

It is.

How about they acknowledge their sex and … shock horror… just get on with living life without falling into stereotypes. It is just like when late teenagers and early 20 somethings all ‘rebel’ by dressing the same! Because they are rejecting the normative, by all doing the same thing.

unfortunately, the medicalisation is so very different to just rebellious look, and some tats and piercings.

Trending at no.1 on twitter.

I presume some kind of blocker app.

I don't understand the bit about how young people are now more fluid and breaking away from strict boundaries. It seems the opposite to me.

The Pride flag was a rainbow because it basically said, it doesn't matter what you look like, what nationality you are, we are all in this together.

Then the trans movement updated it to add pink for girls, blue for boys, brown for brown people and black for black people ie putting everyone back into categories.

Now they think that hairstyles and clothes indicate to others what gender they want to be referred to. No it doesn't. Because most people don't think that person is wearing a skirt so they must be female, they think that's a man in a skirt.

They've gone backwards, not forwards.

What is ‘terfling’, please?

Is it like Efteling but for women? And with Heineken?

Oh but the choir at the end though...'We are trans and cis together...' and the camera panning over them...utterly Pythonesque brilliance! 😂

I think it's brilliant that they've all gone off alarming.

I hope they get quoted verbatim. And then people watch the actual documentary.

" The women wanted to be men because they didn’t want to be women. "

This sadly says a lot about how females are treated in 2023.

Haha!! They can't possibly have watched it 😁.

What is ‘terfling’, please?

What I got from it:
The women wanted to be men because they didn’t want to be women.
The men wanted to be women.
The Cambridge hijack speaker wanted to be the Cambridge hijack speaker.

It was interesting looking at mostly biological women as transmen are less threatening. I think Prof Whittle was the only one who came over as aggressive.

I can see though that people would be very unhappy with the amount of focus on doc stock. And I think that as people digest the doco, they will think, what the fuck? Why was she treated this way?

Maybe it will start people listening to other things.

Maybe the very vocal extreme activists will hate that the feminists sounded so reasonable! I reckon they will all be seething and saying ‘lies, it is all lies’!

FWIW, if you're a trans activist reading this - that programme was as bland, milque toast and mild as anyone could reasonably have made it.

Can you really not handle even the most careful, polite, reasonable dissent? Really and truly?

It was also noticeable to me that the use of gender-based pronouns made things tricky at some points too. Eg the narrator calling KJ 'she' jarred with me. And 'cis' wasn't explained at all!

Ahh, I see.

'Ten seconds of #GenderWars and it’s been switched off. If I wanted to hear transphobia like that I’d unblock Terfling'

seems large sections of Twitter have absolutely no idea that their views are not held by many other people, because they have blocked their ears to anything they don't want to hear.

It feels like the JK Rowling podcast all over again. TRAs agree to be interviewed, and then throw a hissy fit once it airs. What went wrong? What were they expecting?

I see I cross posted with quite a few.

So much left unsaid.
So many areas in which women's lives are impacted negatively not even touched on.
So very careful, and shallow.
It didn't inform about the different sides sufficiently for it to all make sense to anyone who doesn't already know.
And yet Stephen Whittle (and his partner, apparently) called this, 'a vile and horrible little film'. You wonder what they want!
I was struck, again, by the numbers: 0.5% people affected. (May have shouted 51% at the screen at that point.)

Crikey. India's pals don't seem very happy, either.

'Channel4 absolutely shocking hate against the #trans community. The next murder is on you.'

'#GenderWars shows we can't trust cis people. At all. Most of the transphobia I've ever faced has been from the LG in the LGBTQIA+. It's about time we took on direct action. Bigots can only hope we use soup in future. Cis folk will kill us.'

'I am repulsed and outraged that@Channel4
has decided to run the despicable #GenderWars documentary. Continuing to give false legitimacy (and an unchallenged platform) to the transphobic ‘gender critical’ movement endangers the lives of a vulnerable minority. Shame on you.'

That was anti-climatic. I think if I was a person who did not know about the issues, I would still not really know about the issues.

I would think that doc stock and Julie are simply reasonable stating that sex cannot change. And that women’s spaces should be preserved for women’s needs. If they had have brought in sports I think it would have blown more of the ‘we just want to get on with our lives’ narrative away. It would have been ‘some’ want to just get on with life.

Kass and Lily’s ‘people don’t understand us’ shite came across as just that. Self absorption. Finn McKay came across as supporting modern young people to assert their personalities while never once acknowledging the extreme demands.

it was all very mellow.

If this is what is meant by taking the heat out of the discussion, then I am not sure it actually does give a ‘good’ overview. It gives a nuetral overview that gives very little in information.

Stephen Whittle was commenting that some participants retracted their permission.

If was that bad, why did Stephen still agree to be in the final cut?

Good.

Yes the singing at the end was all very earnest. Reminded me of those Christian ‘rock’ bands you get.

Really wasn’t the deep dive it could have been but given its Channel 4 it could have been a lot worse.

And I see our old friend Stephen is complaining about the programme and not knowing what it was going to be like when aired. Has Stephen been getting flak for taking part? (I’m not on Twitter)