Let Women Speak - a new song to extol the virtues and bravery of KJK!

First they came for the threads where people write songs idolising a bigot...

There is always one thread that brings out all the yeahbutnobutyeahbut posters isn't there!

It's just a joke now.

Yeah but they just don't seem focused on LGB people.

Every campaign listed on the Campaigns page of LGB Alliance's website has something to do with trans-related issues. Do they have any activities that are actually about LGB rights? They seem awfully focused on trans issues for an LBG charity

And? They're entitled to have whatever focus they wish.

Every campaign listed on the Campaigns page of LGB Alliance's website has something to do with trans-related issues. Do they have any activities that are actually about LGB rights? They seem awfully focused on trans issues for an LBG charity.

Sexuality is different to gender identity, yes. There's nothing inherently wrong with an organisation that exists to further the interests and protect LGB people. However we're talking about a specific organisation, not a hypothetical one. If you look at LGB Alliance's statements and actions I think it's clear they exist to exclude TQ+ rather than help LGB.

I've just read this over and over again and I don't know how to reply to it because it's a jumble of words that isn't really a reply to me because it doesn't relate to anything I said.

The LGB Alliance didn't form because some lesbian, gay and bisexual people were worried about transphobia. It formed because they some lesbian, gay and bisexual people wanted to be able to engage in transphobia

No it formed because some gay, lesbian and bisexual people don't feel that they should be grouped with transgender people, as it's not the same thing and not a sexuality.
This apparently makes them raging transphobes.

@flaffydaffy If Posie referred to "forced itself down everyone’s throats" (and nothing you say can be believed as you misquote when it suits you) then that is exactly what TRAs do, as they demonstrate whenever they open their mouths. LGB Alliance formed because homosexuals dont want anyone tell them who they have sex with - and why should they. TRAs dont recognise logic - how could they when they start by denying reality. They promote homosexual conversion therapy, their message is frequently homophobic as well as deeply mysoginistic.

TRAs have made me more sympathetic to lesbians.

If transphobia spills over into homophobia, d'you know who is to blame?

Transphobes and homophobes. You know. Like Posie Parker.

The LGB Alliance didn't form because some lesbian, gay and bisexual people were worried about transphobia. It formed because they some lesbian, gay and bisexual people wanted to be able to engage in transphobia.

We're not talking about 'debate' with Parker. We're talking about writing songs that elevate her.

This tweet is an example of homophobia. Only a homophobe could see could see a tragic story about a kid being attacked for being gay and think that it's appropriate to (1) politicise it and (2) blame it on a group that weren't in any way responsible.

So my 'further question' is this: are you the kind of person that wants to write songs elevating a homophobe?

Well I didn't say that, I didn't accuse even SOME trans people of doing the items on the list and yet I'm the one who's been accused of being transphobic!
Note KJK didn't say anything like that, list any sort of behaviours, she just said T which stands for trans. If she didn't mean trans people she could have made that clear.

You're the one who says some trans people gaslight, try to compel speech etc

Well, yes. Everyone knows they do.

We have a massive logic fail here.

KJK: this homophobic attack happened because of "T"
Me: "T" refers to trans so she's blaming the homophobic attack on trans people
You: List a bunch of bad things that supposedly trans people are doing, I guess you only mean "some" trans people and not all. You accuse me of thinking all trans people are doing things like this. You accuse me of being transphobic.

I personally didn't blame the homophobic attack on either trans people OR a bunch of bad things some trans people supposedly do. You're the one who came up with this list. You're the one who says some trans people gaslight, try to compel speech etc. I didn't say ANYTHING like that so where on earth do you get the notion that I think ALL trans people do the things on YOUR list?

If anyone is being blamed it is those who gaslight, try to compel speech, try to force their opinions on others, try to deny same sex attracted people a choice and refuse to allow others to speak, threaten and perform violent actions. Are you saying all trans people do those things? How transphobic.

Citation:
"14 year old getting assaulted in Meath just for being gay."
"Now that the T attached itself to LGB and forced itself down everyone’s throats the LGB are going to be included in the backlash."

The response is suggesting that the assault happened because of a thing "T" did. That's blaming. T stands for Trans hence she is blaming trans people. Where have I gone wrong here?

@FrostyFifi she's not the only one saying it. Does that make it a good thing to say?

She's blaming homophobia on trans people.

I've seen quite a lot of commentators on twitter expressing concern that the strong association between LGB and T is going to cause a backlash, she's hardly the only one saying it.
I mean you've literally got the LGB Alliance that has formed as a result.

Citation needed.

She's blaming homophobia on trans people.

@TraumatisedGooner I can't see anything wrong with what she's said, did you post the wrong tweet?

She said that if you're a man and you consider yourself to be a protector of women, and whether you 'carry' or whether you don't (i.e. you could do this with a gun if you wanted) you should start using women's toilets. And don't upset women and girls who are in there, but make them feel okay about you being in there.
No she didn't say explicitly go threaten trans women with guns but why mention the guns if you're not suggesting men do this with guns? Whatever it is she thinks they should be doing in there.
Saying we are against men in women's spaces therefore men should go into women's spaces is an extremely dumbass thing to say you must admit.

@flaffydaffy

"And she said men should go into women's toilets with guns to protect them."

That's a mid quote. She said men should be protecting women and stopping other men going into the women's toilets. It followed a comment about I think Americans with their guns.

She absolutely did not say take your guns and threaten trans women over toilets

Yes. Did you have a further question?

I agree with a lot of what Posie says. I don't agree with everything but we all have opinions on things, some will be the same and some will be different. We listen and, if necessary, respectfully disagree. If we debate stuff we either come to a common middle ground or we agree to respect each other's differing opinion. That's how grown-ups deal with things.