Seeing Kathleen Stock at the Oxford Union

Yeah, I think this is why Stock really bothers them so much. She's not fussed about gender.

She is just comfortable in her own self and body and sexuality.

I think that's what enrages them the most.

I've had this stuck in my head since I saw that picture.

I’ve been a shouty student protester myself. But the key difference was that in the 1980s we took aim at the big stuff. We wanted to free Nelson Mandela and dismantle Apartheid; not redefine womanhood and give bearded blokes carte blanche to muscle their way into female sporting competitions and the ladies’ changing room in Marks & Spencer.

Quite.

So this privileged, expensively educated daughter of a wealthy man is copying her Daddy who is also a narcissistic sociopath, sorry, protestor? How rebellious is she exactly? 🤣 Plus, she’s so hungry for this type of warped infamy that she’ll apparently protest against anything, anything at all. She’s basically a rich girl for hire if anyone wants to disrupt an event.

Welcome @Ireallydidntseethiscoming. There are quite a few medicos around, so you're in good company.

The treatment side of this issue is emerging as a massive scandal. It needs urgent attention. So the people who are informed the better.

These people are so obsessed with gender and sex stereotypes that it's all they see.

It's just ludicrous. She's gender non-conforming, so she's trans? What absolute shite. She's a homosexual adult female who apparently likes to wear a pair of trousers and currently has a short haircut.

Great article. Not sure if it's been posted yet. Click onto airplane mode as soon as you click on it to avoid paywall.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/30/kathleen-stock-oxford-union-debate-inside-gender-war/

🤦‍♀️ They just don’t get it, do they?

It's more that they just don't understand what we are saying. They think we believe gender roles have to be tied to sex. They think the only way to be "free" of sexism is to see the gender role and not the sex. They don't realise they could just .... let go of gender roles altogether.

Some Twitter comments from trans activists are incredible. All the pretence that trans isn't purely sexist stereotypes seems to have completely evaporated.

I wonder if lockdown has robbed them of two years of maturity - at a time when they would have been learning how to critically analyse and developing mentally as young adults they were stuck in front of a computer with their tribes on SM.

She looks very foolish. I love the way the adults around her are looking on with an air of boredom, their postures very relaxed.

I’ve had two friends ask to borrow my copy of Material Girls today. I hope this is Kathleen Stock’s moment to shine now as she deserves it so much. I also sincerely hope that the University of Sussex, students and all, reflects on the way it treated her.

The BBC News report wasn't great. The first half particularly made it sound like Stock's views are abhorrent but it's important to let her express them if we value free speech, rather than admitting her views are utterly mainstream.

This.

Hi all I’ve just joined. I used to work in the NHS as a psychologist and the damage I see happening to young people is devastating. I left because I believe in both science and do no harm. I’ve followed this page for sometime and want to chime in and say how happy I am that there are still sane, science based women (and men) around to fight.

I had the same thought!

I'm sure Riz put a lot of thought and effort into their protest. Shame that they didn't realise that the desk obscuring part of their shirt means that they will forever be associated with the message "Dead Trans kids" with no information on whether they support that concept or not. Not great optics Riz.

I'm starting to think when children don't have boundaries they go mad combined that with heated group teen think and emotional fears of identity and belonging + "the internet" here we are on the edge of that madness. George Galloway who supports Russia in the war with Ukraine gave a speech there a month ago without issue.

I think Kathleen Stock's been so brave and set out her points in a very reasoned way. There's no doubt which side came across as the most reasoned and intelligent.

I'm a member of the OU, I don't love it, full of wannabe MPs as a PP said. But I do also applaud them for putting the debate on and not being forced by hysterical TRAs into a 'No Platform' position.

I'm also really pleased that Rishi Sunak voiced his support for KS. When you've got death threats, threats of violence and blatant misogyny whizzing around, it's so important for women to know that the Government supports our right to speak.

I hope Starmer takes the same position when he becomes PM next year.

Every time something like this happens, more people are peaked and I'm here for it :-)

Does anyone know if there is a recording? I was working and missed the live stream.

Why do this lot of young protesters (and I include them all), sound and act so immaturely. When we were young, our causes seemed so distinct and arguable such as 'ban the bomb' and 'sex discrimination'. It all seems so vague and emotional

Her Dad is also a protester / activist it seems

https://twitter.com/robertpossnett1/status/1663616642956374018

(From the Gender Wars thread)

Some perhaps were, but some is a very undefined number, and just being told you are wrong is not hateful.

I gather the girl has been in the press a few times - a serial protestor? Anti monarchy, extinction rebellion, stop oil (part of the Tower Bridge protest) etc.

Is anyone else looking at the photo of Prof Stock and hearing the theme music from Reservoir Dogs?