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dunBle · 2023-05-29T06:34:14+00:00

although she got talked over by Ed Balls quite a lot. It'll be on ITV1+1 at about 7:40 I think until just before 8am.

xabia · 30/05/2023 07:51

@FlirtsWithRhinos
What a brilliant post. Thank you!

heartsinvisiblefury · 30/05/2023 07:41

She was amazing and made Ed Balls look even stupider than he made himself. What a woman 🙌👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 30/05/2023 07:38

Male interviewers disproportionally interrupt women speakers. I hear it all the time. Also Ed Balls is a fuckwit of the highest order. It is a pretty common view to say that men are not women, even if they call themselves a woman.

Helleofabore · 30/05/2023 07:28

And Izzard.

Kucinghitam · 30/05/2023 05:59

TheBiologyStupid · 29/05/2023 23:43

I guess the collective noun for Eds is a scrotum...?

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Especially if one is Ed Balls and the other is Ed Davey

FigRollsAlly · 30/05/2023 00:58

TheBiologyStupid · 29/05/2023 23:43

I guess the collective noun for Eds is a scrotum...?

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😂

bluedomino · 30/05/2023 00:12

Oh my, she was fabulous. So patient and calm. He showed us exactly how ignorant on the matter he is. Balls is caught up in 1...his showbiz world, where he needs to be woke and misogyny is the norm
2...his Labour views, where women can have penises and be naked around children and rapists only need a wig to be allowed into a women's prison and
3...his son with his woke views. He needs to look like a cool Dad, one who thinks its ok to call men women and no harm will come of it. Try to look like he believes its ok for a males (who on average punch 160% harder than a female) to compete against women. And win against women.

This interview shows what Balls really thinks of women. They are just background noise in his stupid little narcissistic head.

I can't believe he has a daughter. But then he thinks it's acceptable as a married man to apply to be on middle aged Love Island. There is obviously nothing he won't say, do or pretend to think, as long as people are looking at him.

There was a moment, after Prof Stock made a particularly good comeback, when he looked at her of a fleeting second with absolute hate. It was a micro expression which showed his reaction to a woman besting him.

TheBiologyStupid · 29/05/2023 23:49

Mmmnotsure · 29/05/2023 23:40

More media focus. Kathleen Stock is main story on Telegraph front page tomorrow:
"PM backs feminist in Oxford row over free speech".

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TheBiologyStupid · 29/05/2023 23:43

ArabeIIaScott · 29/05/2023 23:04

Nominative determinism in action, then.

I guess the collective noun for Eds is a scrotum...?

Mmmnotsure · 29/05/2023 23:40

More media focus. Kathleen Stock is main story on Telegraph front page tomorrow:
"PM backs feminist in Oxford row over free speech".

ArabeIIaScott · 29/05/2023 23:04

Nominative determinism in action, then.

FrancescaContini · 29/05/2023 22:55

RoyalCorgi · 29/05/2023 17:26

Ed Balls is a fuckwit, isn't he?

Yes. He went on Strictly so 🤦‍♀️

WallaceinAnderland · 29/05/2023 22:50

Forwarder · 29/05/2023 19:21

The Guardian has misquoted her about children. She said something about Irreversible changes to children's bodies causes upset, upset to their parents. Note the comma.

The Guardian are truly scum promoting this stuff.

KS is so cool though isn't she? After all she's been through, still able to laugh at pompous mansplaining prats.

The context:

KS response to question from Charlotte Hawkins

CH - But do you feel to a certain extent we are in a different world now, you know, you talk about you know this has evolved over however many years and this dates back to whenever, but we're in a different world now aren't we, where situations are different and you know that the views that you put out do cause a significant amount of upset. There are a number of, you know, Ed talked about the one hundred Oxford based staff members who signed this response letter, we know that back in 2021 600 philosophers from around the world, er, were critical about what you had to say as well. Does that not make you think, do you know what, perhaps I need to modify the way, the language I'm using, when you know it's causing upset?

KS - What, are we going to stop talking about things because they cause upset? No. Of course we're not.

CH - No, not necessarily what I'm talking about. Of course it's important to have debate.

KS - We have to talk about the things that cause upset because that's precisely the points at which pressure groups and activists will try to steer the conversation in particular directions so we have to have freedom of speech, we have to be able to talk about this. Now of course I am causing upset but I'm telling you that the position I'm fighting against causes a lot of upset. You know, you've got male rapists in female prisons, that causes a lot of upset. You've got children transitioning, doing things to their bodies that they can't take back. That causes a lot of upset and their parents are very upset about it. You've got huge numbers of women unable to talk about sex based rights in their workplaces because they feel stifled. That causes upset. So there are two different sets of interests here and we need to have a conversation without one side, my side in particular, being constantly told that I'm somehow evil and bigoted for even raising these questions which are extremely socially important.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/05/2023 22:48

Former professor who argues trans people cannot expect all rights afforded by biological sex

Kathleen Stock thinks males can't use the men's toilets or compete against other males? News to me. Idiotic journalism.

Melroses · 29/05/2023 22:35

Melroses · 29/05/2023 17:17

Ah - this is all because she is on Gender Wars this evening.

I am starting to look forward to it now 😁

It's tomorrow, isn't it..........I'm twirly.

Hepwo · 29/05/2023 21:09

Really what is the difference between Ed's position and Kathleen's?

He's magnanimously conceded sports and prisons and said women can't have a penis, so what is the difference?

Apart from he believes he's a good guy and she's not?

Fuck off Ed.

Heliotroper · 29/05/2023 21:06

"Lots of people would say that's an extreme view"

'Lots of people say' is really cowardly way to conduct an argument

If you believe it Ed then say so

He knows its nonsense which is why he hides behind it

PriOn1 · 29/05/2023 20:55

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/05/2023 13:13

During the interview, Kathleen made it clear she supports transgender people being protected by law and has no ambition to argue against the Equality or Gender Recognition Act.

However, she explained to hosts Ed and Charlotte Hawkins: “I think we need words to describe the differences between males and females because they matter socially across all sorts of domains.”

and this is the person Stephen Whittle et al think is too extreme to be featured on a channel 4 documentary. Loons

as for Balls, when what you believe is unmitigated bobbins you can’t listen to what other people think can you? That way lies disaster

Whittle is smarter than that.

It’s likely the real reason is that nobody who takes the time to listen to her could fail to see how reasonable and considered her views are.

Any claim that her views are extreme is a desperate attempt to silence her because they can’t afford for anyone to hear what she has to say.

TheBiologyStupid · 29/05/2023 20:27

RoyalCorgi · 29/05/2023 17:29

Thanks very much for the transcript, Wallace. I know you have deliberately only included the Ed Balls bit, but the bit at the end where Kathleen was able to speak freely was magnificent.

Yes, clear and calm and moderate as always. TRAs trying to paint someone like KS as a hateful bigot just exposes the paucity of their arguments.

Heliotroper · 29/05/2023 20:19

His pathetic attempt to be 'the reasonable man' is absolutely nauseating

TheBiologyStupid · 29/05/2023 20:09

WallaceinAnderland · 29/05/2023 17:21

Here's a rough, amateur transcript of the Ed Balls bit:

EB - But to just ask you a kind of particular question then because, you know, clearly we were reporting that the um, in sport now um, it's been decided that women who aren't sexually a woman shouldn't be able to (unitelligible), exactly, that slightly, um, provoked my question, er, so, er, um those women, um, those, um, people will not be able to compete in a swimming race if they are trans um have transitioned and clearly it's important to have protections around, er, safe spaces and you referred to that earlier but, is it not possible in your view for somebody who was a man to become, as they would describe it, a woman?

KS - No, you can't change sex, it's not biologically possible

EB - Yeah but I didn't ask you about sex, I asked you about if they could become a woman

KS - Well that's a... Womanhood, I would say is entirely, predicated on sex, there's no other good way of doing...

EB - Lots of people would say that's an extreme view

KS - If you'll let me explain...

EB - But a lot of people would say that's an extreme view

KS - Well of course they do but if you will let me explain my reasoning, biology is the thing that affects our body's performance in sport, that affects our chances of being sexually assaulted, that affects...

EB - I can see all that, I can see all that

KS - Well then, so what's the word for that adult human female? Woman, I'm afraid.

EB - So if a transperson transitions and legally becomes a woman. Wants to be described as a woman

KS - I'll describe him as a woman for certain limited

EB - But you see

KS - purposes but there's got to be limits because

EB - You see

KS - obviously broader debate that we just talked about matters.

EB - Yeah, I understand about that. I understand. The, the thing I feel is that there's two extremes having this big fight. And actually most people in the centre ground think well of course that person's not sexually a woman but actually they can become legally a woman and they are a woman.

KS - They can...

EB - And why do you want to tell a vulnerable, young 21 year old that they can't be a woman because you have decided they are not allowed to be one.

KS - Well I didn't decide it. I mean the human, we're animals, we're based in nature. The world decided it. Evolution decided it. I mean, it's crazy to think that just because I make some category distinctions that have been around for centuries and in every natural language, that I'm deciding who gets to be a woman. I'm not, I'm describing the world I see and we have evolved to make differentiations between males and females in the human species and they are very useful distinctions, the whole future of reproduction depends on recognising males and fe...

EB - So you're saying to someone who transitions, they are not a woman.

KS - I don't go up to them and say that...

EB - but you are saying it

KS - I'm happy to, yes, if in general I am because...

EB - Do you understand though

KS - it matters

EB - that is the thing that makes people feel as though they (indistinguishable)

KS - Yes I understand that but

EB - Some people say

KS - I also understand

EB - any body can be a woman and other people say they can't be a woman. And actually most people in the middle think, well actually...

KS - Well how do you know what most people in the middle think Ed? Have you polled them?

EB - Well, I mean, um, I think that, um, I do know what most people think.

KS - Oh yeah, I can see that <chuckles>

EB - And you think I'm wrong?

KS - Well, I think if you look at the polling on this...

EB - <groans>

KS - it depends how you phrase the question. If you ask can a woman have a penis, most people say no.

EB - Yeah but I agree with that.

KS- Oh ok. Hmm <chuckles> Right. So obviously you are more extreme than many

EB - I'm telling you. Yeah but I'm telling you it's complicated. That in your attempt to symphathise you end up extremely polarised

KS - I know that you think it's complicated. I wrote a whole book about it, to go through every single argument and I assure you that I'm also prepared to go along with preferred pronouns, I'm prepared to immerse myself in the fiction that someone has changed sex but I don't think they actually have and I think we need words to describe the differences between males and females because they matter socially...

EB - Someone who has transitioned and wants to be a woman, I think it's fine to call them a woman. I don't know why you don't want to allow them to make that choice

KS - I know, well that's why we're arguing about it. It's a difference of opinions.

Car crash interview. He didn't want to hear anything about it and made sure the viewers couldn't either.

All I have to say is - are YOU 'sexually' a woman?

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Thanks for that. Balls is such an idiot.

BluebellBlueballs · 29/05/2023 20:05

WallaceinAnderland · 29/05/2023 18:42

Well quite.

"I'm telling you it's complicated"

To a woman who has literally written a book on the subject and was hounded out of her job and continues to face criticism for speaking truths on the subject.

So arrogant and patronising. Yet another man telling a woman what a woman is.

I love Kathleen's expressions in response to his statements 😂

At least he's on record stating that women don't have a penis so there's the upside.

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He's got a vested interest in it being complicated because if it's simple and he's been wrong all this time, well....then he's simple is the implication.

PurpleBugz · 29/05/2023 20:02

@FlirtsWithRhinos
Thanks!
You are right such an amazing resource.

BigShoutyRaven · 29/05/2023 20:02

RelaxingClassics · 29/05/2023 19:31

Anyone who starts their sentence with " I am telling you.." sounds like a fucking knob. "Oh ok then wise one".

It's also totally shit as an interviewer. What decent interviewer gets someone on to talk and starts with "I'm telling you..."

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/05/2023 19:58

PurpleBugz · 29/05/2023 19:52

Agreed. So hard to put that point into words for others and this does so perfectly.

@FlirtsWithRhinos can I steal your wording for a sort of leaflet I'm putting together for myself/friends/family to explain GC position?

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Yes of course, please do take anything you find useful from my posts. I see FWR as a resource we build between us.